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Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

I was trying to capture the essence of the mindless outrage you were responding to: poorly executed attempt at humor

I actual don't see any humor in this situation. Maybe you do, but I don't. My point and comments afterwords I think accurately describes my feelings on the matter. While I am for gun rights, carrying a gun on its own doesn't make someone's chances of survival any better if they don't have the knowledge of how to use the gun, the will to use it, or if they are surprised in such a manner that they can't use it.

The only point I was trying to make is carrying a gun will not make you automatically safe even though I support the right to carry one.

EDIT: I see what you were saying, I just don't want to give the impression that carrying a gun automatically makes you safe.
 
I do believe that a gun alone will not save someone without training of said weapon. I'm not for disarming citizens, in fact I'm the opposite. I believe the more armed (and mastery of said weaponry) will decrease victims.

I'm just not going to automatically say that someone with a gun will survive. I will admit their chances of survival are greater with a weapon, but without knowledge of the weapon or training of how to use it will pretty much decrease the chances of survival as that of someone without the weapon. Its not only having the weapon, but the knowledge and will to use it that makes the chances of survival greater.

Carrying a gun with proper training is moronic.

Of course, proper training is applicable for literally everything that humans do every day.

Hence, the odds of taking a gun away from a trained individual is very, very slim.

The odds of said individual using their gun to save their own life is correspondingly high,
 
True, but then we don't know what happened. Even someone with a gun on them can be take down if done so by surprise.

that is true but DOJ studies demonstrate an armed victim is less likely to be hurt than an unarmed one
 
Erod said:
Why couldn't have it just read, "Ritzer's death comes the same week as the murder of a teacher in Sparks, Nevada."

If you look at my other posts, you'll see I'm about as anti-gun control as they come, but I doubt very seriously this was anything other than how it occurred to some reporter to phrase the Nevada case. In short, coincidence at best, and trivial at worst.

SMTA said:
Hence, the odds of taking a gun away from a trained individual is very, very slim.

This is true. A trained individual will keep the gun and elbow close to their body when an attacker is near, rather than holding it out at arms length like you see in the movies. Very difficult to disarm. But up close, when you don't see the attack coming, a knife is at least as deadly as a gun and in many cases the gun won't help you as much as decent martial arts training. Guns are great when your attacker is more than 20 paces away and you know they're attacking with deadly force.

Anyway, I think we need to learn the details of the case before we consider what to do with this young fellow. I can think of some situations that would convince me he deserved mercy, or even just to be let go. I don't know that those scenarios happened, or are even plausible...but before we jump to conclusions, let's learn the facts, eh?
 
True, but then we don't know what happened. Even someone with a gun on them can be take down if done so by surprise.

Agreed. My husbands cousin was killed when he accidently walked into a restroom by his office as two young punks were in the process of trying to disguise themselves so they could rob him .
They tied his hands , kidnapped him , drove him around trying to get money from the ATM and then killed him with the semi automatic assult rifle.
The police found my husbands cousins conceled hand gun ( which he had a conceled weapons permit for ) stilled tucked in by the small of his back.
 
Obviously this boy suffers from mental illness. We really don't know enough about the story. Was he on medication, under the care of a psychiatrist, did these symptoms occur suddenly or have they been festering for a while, is he a drug user? *shrugs* I think learning some details first is important before the angry villagers start screaming "off with his head!" :)

Why is that obvious?
 
Why is that obvious?

Obviously it's obvious. Would this be behavior you would expect of a normally functioning person? No? Me neither. :) Not to mention the fact that the boy heard voices in head, a sign of schizophrenia.
 
Obviously it's obvious. Would this be behavior you would expect of a normally functioning person? No? Me neither. :) Not to mention the fact that the boy heard voices in head, a sign of schizophrenia.

This just happened yesterday. We don't know anything about this cse or this kid or if he even did it.

We don't know the circunstances of what happened so we do not know if it was a normal reaction or not.
 
This just happened yesterday. We don't know anything about this cse or this kid or if he even did it.

We don't know the circunstances of what happened so we do not know if it was a normal reaction or not.

LOL. This has to be one of the winning posts of the day.
 
LOL. This has to be one of the winning posts of the day.

HUmans are violent by nature.

It is society that teaches to not be violent.

We don't know anything about this boy and what his background is or even how the teacher died.

For all we know the boy had nothing to do with it.

We will have to wait and see.
 
HUmans are violent by nature.

It is society that teaches to not be violent.

We don't know anything about this boy and what his background is or even how the teacher died.

For all we know the boy had nothing to do with it.

We will have to wait and see.

Well I happen to know that the teacher was punched in the face and then killed with a box cutter.
 
It is being reported he used a box cutter to kill her, where are the box cutter control people? This is a national crisis!
 
It is being reported he used a box cutter to kill her, where are the box cutter control people? This is a national crisis!

I think we need to seriously limit the number of box cutters a person is able to own. Also, all box cutters should be nationally registered with mandatory background checks before a person is allowed to own one. :mrgreen:
 
It is being reported he used a box cutter to kill her, where are the box cutter control people? This is a national crisis!

Yea, well, you can't take them on a plane anymore.

OTOH, if everyone on the plane had a box cutter, any moron who tried to highjack with one would be filleted and field dressed very quickly.
 
I think we need to seriously limit the number of box cutters a person is able to own. Also, all box cutters should be nationally registered with mandatory background checks before a person is allowed to own one. :mrgreen:

I think we also need to make sure they have no more than one refill per cutter and have to return the dull one to get a new one.:lol:
 
Yea, well, you can't take them on a plane anymore.

OTOH, if everyone on the plane had a box cutter, any moron who tried to highjack with one would be filleted and field dressed very quickly.

if two people had guns on planes the rest could simply stay in their seats.
 
I think we also need to make sure they have no more than one refill per cutter and have to return the dull one to get a new one.:lol:

:lamo Local police departments encourage you to turn in your box cutters in exchange for a Walmart gift card.
 
:lamo Local police departments encourage you to turn in your box cutters in exchange for a Walmart gift card.

What about box cutter shows? Will people be allowed to sell them in the parking lots of such shows?
 
if two people had guns on planes the rest could simply stay in their seats.

Amen, brother - you are preaching to the choir here!
 
What about box cutter shows? Will people be allowed to sell them in the parking lots of such shows?

Only if they have a Federal Undercover Cutting Kingpin license! :mrgreen:

It is possible to get one without waiting, the Federal Undercover Cutting Kingpin Emergency Distress license!
 
Double cut!

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I think we need to seriously limit the number of box cutters a person is able to own. Also, all box cutters should be nationally registered with mandatory background checks before a person is allowed to own one. :mrgreen:
Blade sharpness and size needs to be considered as well. Some box cutters can extend the razor blade far enough to become a serious weapon. We'll call them "assault box cutters", to get the point across. And if you use sharp rather than dull blades, the weapon is more likely to penetrate the protective layer of skin and cause additional damage.

So we need to regulate the distance a blade can extend from a box cutter, ban "assault box cutters", and limit blade use to dull blades only. None of those sharp blades.
 
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