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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    True, but then we don't know what happened. Even someone with a gun on them can be take down if done so by surprise.
    That's some excellent logic right there!

    Why, I'll bet that hundreds were disarmed just yesterday!

    Do you believe that those cases involved deception, sleight-of-hand, or secret ninjas!?
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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    He needs to live to realize what he did bad to society..
    He needs to be redirected in prison to give back to society what the teacher can no longer give and then some..

    Teachers are a necessary component in prisons..
    When he's not doing manual labor, force him to get a degree teaching inmates .
    Please feel free to send your personal cheque to cover the annual US$50,000 incarceration cost.

    He done did bad, and we can keep his worthless ass alive on your dime.

    Better yet, you can start housing them 'did bads' in your own home.
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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    That's some excellent logic right there!

    Why, I'll bet that hundreds were disarmed just yesterday!

    Do you believe that those cases involved deception, sleight-of-hand, or secret ninjas!?
    I do believe that a gun alone will not save someone without training of said weapon. I'm not for disarming citizens, in fact I'm the opposite. I believe the more armed (and mastery of said weaponry) will decrease victims.

    I'm just not going to automatically say that someone with a gun will survive. I will admit their chances of survival are greater with a weapon, but without knowledge of the weapon or training of how to use it will pretty much decrease the chances of survival as that of someone without the weapon. Its not only having the weapon, but the knowledge and will to use it that makes the chances of survival greater.

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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    *makes loud noises and spits profusely*
    Not sure what your comment means or how it applies here since I don't know your views on the matter. Care to elaborate or is your spitting and louse noise making supposed to mean something to me?

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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not sure what your comment means or how it applies here since I don't know your views on the matter. Care to elaborate or is your spitting and louse noise making supposed to mean something to me?
    I was trying to capture the essence of the mindless outrage you were responding to: poorly executed attempt at humor

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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I was trying to capture the essence of the mindless outrage you were responding to: poorly executed attempt at humor
    I actual don't see any humor in this situation. Maybe you do, but I don't. My point and comments afterwords I think accurately describes my feelings on the matter. While I am for gun rights, carrying a gun on its own doesn't make someone's chances of survival any better if they don't have the knowledge of how to use the gun, the will to use it, or if they are surprised in such a manner that they can't use it.

    The only point I was trying to make is carrying a gun will not make you automatically safe even though I support the right to carry one.

    EDIT: I see what you were saying, I just don't want to give the impression that carrying a gun automatically makes you safe.

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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I do believe that a gun alone will not save someone without training of said weapon. I'm not for disarming citizens, in fact I'm the opposite. I believe the more armed (and mastery of said weaponry) will decrease victims.

    I'm just not going to automatically say that someone with a gun will survive. I will admit their chances of survival are greater with a weapon, but without knowledge of the weapon or training of how to use it will pretty much decrease the chances of survival as that of someone without the weapon. Its not only having the weapon, but the knowledge and will to use it that makes the chances of survival greater.
    Carrying a gun with proper training is moronic.

    Of course, proper training is applicable for literally everything that humans do every day.

    Hence, the odds of taking a gun away from a trained individual is very, very slim.

    The odds of said individual using their gun to save their own life is correspondingly high,
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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    True, but then we don't know what happened. Even someone with a gun on them can be take down if done so by surprise.
    that is true but DOJ studies demonstrate an armed victim is less likely to be hurt than an unarmed one



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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod
    Why couldn't have it just read, "Ritzer's death comes the same week as the murder of a teacher in Sparks, Nevada."
    If you look at my other posts, you'll see I'm about as anti-gun control as they come, but I doubt very seriously this was anything other than how it occurred to some reporter to phrase the Nevada case. In short, coincidence at best, and trivial at worst.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA
    Hence, the odds of taking a gun away from a trained individual is very, very slim.
    This is true. A trained individual will keep the gun and elbow close to their body when an attacker is near, rather than holding it out at arms length like you see in the movies. Very difficult to disarm. But up close, when you don't see the attack coming, a knife is at least as deadly as a gun and in many cases the gun won't help you as much as decent martial arts training. Guns are great when your attacker is more than 20 paces away and you know they're attacking with deadly force.

    Anyway, I think we need to learn the details of the case before we consider what to do with this young fellow. I can think of some situations that would convince me he deserved mercy, or even just to be let go. I don't know that those scenarios happened, or are even plausible...but before we jump to conclusions, let's learn the facts, eh?

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    Re: Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    True, but then we don't know what happened. Even someone with a gun on them can be take down if done so by surprise.
    Agreed. My husbands cousin was killed when he accidently walked into a restroom by his office as two young punks were in the process of trying to disguise themselves so they could rob him .
    They tied his hands , kidnapped him , drove him around trying to get money from the ATM and then killed him with the semi automatic assult rifle.
    The police found my husbands cousins conceled hand gun ( which he had a conceled weapons permit for ) stilled tucked in by the small of his back.
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