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'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

ItAin'tFree said:
Obama and the Dems got rid of those. But you can visit a web site they created, to bad it doesn't work though. As expected and predicted in the rare case of a democrat talking and not lying.
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What is amazing is that liberals are defending a law that is supported by about 40% of the public and surprised that the GOP is trying to defund or repeal it. That just goes to show that there is no logic in the liberal mind. Interesting how laws that have 40% approval ratings that the liberals don't like are fair game to be attacked but it isn't right when it is a law that they support. That is known as being a hypocrite
 
NIMBY said:
Delays in a CR, brought to you by the GOP..
Boehner puts a Farm bill on the floor, the TEAcaucus forces him to pull it..
Same with Transportation..where are the jobs Boehner ?
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Is the farm bill about jobs? Or food stamps?....:roll:
 
cpwill said:
Yes. Republicans want to ultimately to repeal Obamacare because they believe it is unfair to the citizenry.
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But we're not talking about that, we're talking about the reasons for wanting to delay the legislation. The Republicans wish to delay it because it works to achieve their political position of repealing Obamacare. The Democrats delaying it does NOT achieve their political position of instituting Obamacare, in fact, it goes against it. The delay for Democrats is to provide fairness to those required to sign up.
Anthony60 said:
I think you need to recalibrate, because you seem to be completely of the rails, in left wing territory.
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Nope. I'm simply speaking in logic and facts and for that you are calling me a liberal/lefty when I most certainly am not. I can only assume then you believe logic and facts to belong exclusively to liberals/leftys.
BmanMcfly said:
Even if it was 10k of tax payer money, the thing does not work, and the only real way to make it work would be to restart from scratch.
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What does that have to do, in any way, with the discussion we were having? I pointed out how the $640 million number is completely false. That was it.

So, where are your calls for heads to roll on this one??
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Unlike you, I don't believe people should be fired simply because other people didn't do their job. I do not have enough information about where exactly the problems existed to know who dropped the ball.

Why are you so interested in having people fired? Does it make you giddy to know someone's livelihood is ruined, or at the very least, delayed? Does it make you happy to know someone is much less able to provide for their family?

Then again, there are some that seem to feel that rule of law is an archaic concept best discarded in the name of progress. (not necessarily you)
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Yes, I believe that describes the Republican position on shutting down the government over Obamacare quite well. Well said.
ItAin'tFree said:
LOL. You provide an example of what one company claims to have been paid and think that is the total cost? LOL. Then you cite TheBlaze yet they claim the government did not provide them the total cost of the project, LOL.
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No, I provided an example of how the total cost was not $640 million for the website on the first day it opened. The fact you're trying to twist words shows you know have a losing position.

You're spinning everything.
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Cute.

The website didn't crash after Sen Cruz called for a delay. He had the right idea all along while your clowns put on political theater.
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The right idea is to not have the government do its job, put thousands of people in an uncertain position with their job, cause billions of dollars of damage to the economy, put us at risk for a credit downgrade and possibly trigger a worldwide economic collapse?

Wow, if you think that's the right thing to do, then I hope you never become a politician.
 
Slyfox696 said:
But we're not talking about that, we're talking about the reasons for wanting to delay the legislation. The Republicans wish to delay it because it works to achieve their political position of repealing Obamacare. The Democrats delaying it does NOT achieve their political position of instituting Obamacare, in fact, it goes against it. The delay for Democrats is to provide fairness to those required to sign up.
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to suggest there are no political calculations going on here from the WH is both naive and laughable to the extreme.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
to suggest there are no political calculations going on here from the WH is both naive and laughable to the extreme.
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That's not what I said, and I've already said earlier in this thread that is not the case. But the political calculation, in this instance, is to avoid political harm by forcing unfair and unreasonable measures. If the website was working perfectly, the Democrats would not want (and not give) an extension.
 
Slyfox696 said:
That's not what I said, and I've already said earlier in this thread that is not the case. But the political calculation, in this instance, is to avoid political harm by forcing unfair and unreasonable measures. If the website was working perfectly, the Democrats would not want (and not give) an extension.
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Unfair and unreasonable? Do you understand what those words mean? You think our Founders would support the Federal Govt. forcing people to buy a product from any source? Life is about making choices and it is the choice of individuals whether or not they want to be insured. Forcing them to do so is unfair and unreasonable. The Democrats couldn't care less about ACA, they want the mandate, the power, the slush fund, and the dependence.
 
Conservative said:
Unfair and unreasonable? Do you understand what those words mean? You think our Founders would support the Federal Govt. forcing people to buy a product from any source? Life is about making choices and it is the choice of individuals whether or not they want to be insured. Forcing them to do so is unfair and unreasonable. The Democrats couldn't care less about ACA, they want the mandate, the power, the slush fund, and the dependence.
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Um, it doesn't matter what the FF's personal feelings were, the document they left behind, as interpreted by the current conservative SC, found that the individual mandate did not violate it.

Further, the individual mandate was an idea championed by the conservative Heritage Foundation for over 2 decades.

This is how far baggers have strayed from their conservative roots.
 
Conservative said:
Unfair and unreasonable? Do you understand what those words mean?
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Yes, fining someone for not signing up for something they do not have the power to sign up for is unfair and unreasonable, which is why Democrats pushed for an extension.

You think our Founders would support the Federal Govt. forcing people to buy a product from any source?
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A) Yes B) Who cares?

Contrary to popular belief of people like you, this is no longer the 1780s. Our world has changed in so many ways our Founders would think it stupid to insist on doing things the way they were done in the late 1700s.

Life is about making choices and it is the choice of individuals whether or not they want to be insured.
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And life is also about making the choice to make sure no one is sentenced to die simply because they are poor. Our country has made the choice to protect those who cannot otherwise afford life saving medical care.

Forcing them to do so is unfair and unreasonable.
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No one is forcing them to. You are more than welcome to not purchase insurance, you'll just have to pay a tax, much like you already do to provide Social Security, military defense, road construction, etc.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, it doesn't matter what the FF's personal feelings were, the document they left behind, as interpreted by the current conservative SC, found that the individual mandate did not violate it.

Further, the individual mandate was an idea championed by the conservative Heritage Foundation for over 2 decades.

This is how far baggers have strayed from their conservative roots.
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Keep distorting the SC ruling which was regarding taxing authority but that doesn't matter to people like you nor the 40% that support the law. The House was doing its job, cutting off the funding.
 
Slyfox696;1062473113]Yes, fining someone for not signing up for something they do not have the power to sign up for is unfair and unreasonable, which is why Democrats pushed for an extension.
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You mean the Republican proposal which the Democrats refused to negotiate on?

A) Yes B) Who cares?

Contrary to popular belief of people like you, this is no longer the 1780s. Our world has changed in so many ways our Founders would think it stupid to insist on doing things the way they were done in the late 1700s.
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So the Constitution doesn't mean anything to you? Where in that Constitution does it give Congress the power to force people to buy a personal responsibility product?

And life is also about making the choice to make sure no one is sentenced to die simply because they are poor. Our country has made the choice to protect those who cannot otherwise afford life saving medical care.
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Do you ever use the brain God gave you? Ever hear of Medicaid? Our liberals in Congress decided it was I their best interest to implement another entitlement program to give them more power and control of the finances. Don't you think the trillions in unfunded liabilities for SS and Medicare be eliminated before starting another entitlement program and putting the money into the unified budget?

No one is forcing them to. You are more than welcome to not purchase insurance, you'll just have to pay a tax, much like you already do to provide Social Security, military defense, road construction, etc.
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Liberal logic 101. SS is a self funding contributory program that NOT EVERYONE PARTICIPATES in. Provide for the common defense is funded by income taxes. Roads are funded by the excise taxes on the gasoline you purchase. You really should learn what your taxes fund. If you don't drive you don't pay for the roads
 
Conservative said:
Keep distorting the SC ruling which was regarding taxing authority but that doesn't matter to people like you nor the 40% that support the law.
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Yes dear, the taxing authority WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. It was found to be constitutional.

Live with it.



The House was doing its job, cutting off the funding.
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"Quick! I need a distraction from my failed points!"
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yes dear, the taxing authority WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. It was found to be constitutional.

Live with it.



"Quick! I need a distraction from my failed points!"
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Thus the House voting to defund it. The Congress has the right to tax but the Congress has the right to pull that funding. Keep diverting and distorting. How much are you getting paid to pass of this bs?
 
Conservative said:
Roads are funded by the excise taxes on the gasoline you purchase. You really should learn what your taxes fund. If you don't drive you don't pay for the roads
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Another myth:

Today's study also found that the share of road funding generated by user fees fell to 51 percent in 2007, down from 61 percent just a decade earlier. (The accounting used by Subsidyscope, a joint project of the Pew Charitable Trusts and the Sunlight Foundation, accounted for the use of about one-sixth of federal gas tax revenue to pay for transit.)

Think Roads Pay for Themselves? Think Again | Streetsblog New York City
 
Conservative said:
Thus the House voting to defund it. The Congress has the right to tax but the Congress has the right to pull that funding. Keep diverting and distorting. How much are you getting paid to pass of this bs?
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Gee, how did that turn out for the baggers?

Not so good...huh?

Too bad for the conservative radicals.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Another myth:

Today's study also found that the share of road funding generated by user fees fell to 51 percent in 2007, down from 61 percent just a decade earlier. (The accounting used by Subsidyscope, a joint project of the Pew Charitable Trusts and the Sunlight Foundation, accounted for the use of about one-sixth of federal gas tax revenue to pay for transit.)

Think Roads Pay for Themselves? Think Again | Streetsblog New York City
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What do you think is included in the price of gasoline, diesel, and license fees? Roads are funded by user taxes unless of course those funds are put into a unified budget and spent like politicians always do. Maybe you ought to stop buying what you are told and get actual data and facts. Any idea how much funding is collected daily by those use fees?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Gee, how did that turn out for the baggers?

Not so good...huh?

Too bad for the conservative radicals.
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It is going to turn out great because no one is going to remember the shutdown but most are going to remember the Obamacare failed rollout and its unpopularity.
 
Conservative said:
What do you think is included in the price of gasoline, diesel, and license fees? Roads are funded by user taxes unless of course those funds are put into a unified budget and spent like politicians always do. Maybe you ought to stop buying what you are told and get actual data and facts. Any idea how much funding is collected daily by those use fees?
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Apparently I know that user fees DO NOT cover the costs, that bonds are a larger and larger portion (especially for local roads), so this myth that "if you don't own a car, you don't pay for roads".... is false.

But go ahead and keep arguing in the face of facts, facts have never caused you to change a talking point.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Apparently I know that user fees DO NOT cover the costs, that bonds are a larger and larger portion (especially for local roads), so this myth that "if you don't own a car, you don't pay for roads".... is false.

But go ahead and keep arguing in the face of facts, facts have never caused you to change a talking point.
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Bonds are for construction and user fees were established for maintenance. there never will be enough money when you put user fees into the unified budget and have it spent on everything other than roads. Please explain to me what the non user fees are other than bonds for construction? What do the non drivers pay for roads?

I will never understand people like you who simply have no concept of what your taxes fund, no idea that we have a unified budget, and no understanding at all about how to research results. You buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 
Conservative said:
It is going to turn out great because no one is going to remember the shutdown but most are going to remember the Obamacare failed rollout and its unpopularity.
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Hell, you just proved once again that radicals ignore facts, whether it is roads or that the baggers failed.

The propaganda against the ACA will ultimately fail too, but the denial of baggers will remain.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Hell, you just proved once again that radicals ignore facts, whether it is roads or that the baggers failed.

The propaganda against the ACA will ultimately fail too, but the denial of baggers will remain.
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How much power do you want the Federal Govt. to have? Propaganda? you are good at spreading it and not so good at looking at results. Why exactly are so many people against ACA? Could it be that they cannot keep their doctors or their healthcare plan? Could it be that costs are going to go up and insurance companies are going to drop coverage? Of course not, that couldn't be it at all, it is raciist
 
Conservative said:
Bonds are for construction and user fees were established for maintenance. there never will be enough money when you put user fees into the unified budget and have it spent on everything other than roads. Please explain to me what the non user fees are other than bonds for construction? What do the non drivers pay for roads?

I will never understand people like you who simply have no concept of what your taxes fund, no idea that we have a unified budget, and no understanding at all about how to research results. You buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
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Hold on there, who pays the bonds? Are you arguing that it is limited to drivers only?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Hold on there, who pays the bonds? Are you arguing that it is limited to drivers only?
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Who forces you to buy a bond? the Federal Govt. pays for those bonds to get people to invest. Learn how those bonds are funded

http://www.ugpti.org/events/policy/downloads/KathrynHarringtonHughes.pdf

I cannot believe how brainwashed people like you are. It is rather sad that no matter what the results you continue to buy the rhetoric. Just goes to show how uneducated you are regarding the funding of individual items in this country and how you support a massive central govt. because you cannot seem to sell your state on what you want.
 
Conservative said:
How much power do you want the Federal Govt. to have? Propaganda? you are good at spreading it and not so good at looking at results. Why exactly are so many people against ACA? Could it be that they cannot keep their doctors or their healthcare plan? Could it be that costs are going to go up and insurance companies are going to drop coverage? Of course not, that couldn't be it at all, it is raciist
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Poor Con, your argument about the constitutionality has failed, your argument about roads has failed, you recognize that the propaganda is the source of negativity before the ACA has even been in effect......and all you can do is to turn into a Texas Tornado and spew anything and everything from your post producing software.

You have no coherent argument, it just bounces from talking point to talking point...never once pausing to reflect upon its errors.
 
Slyfox696 said:
That's not what I said, and I've already said earlier in this thread that is not the case. But the political calculation, in this instance, is to avoid political harm by forcing unfair and unreasonable measures. If the website was working perfectly, the Democrats would not want (and not give) an extension.
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But that is still pursuing political interests. It's just here the political interest is not pissing a bunch of people off. If they could still press the deadline, without it causing them a huge political ****storm I'm sure they would. So it seems you're doing little more than arguing a distinction without a difference.

Hell, if the democrats were actually concerned about the greater good here they would have pursued meaningful reform, as opposed to the political victory
 
Conservative said:
Who forces you to buy a bond? the Federal Govt. pays for those bonds to get people to invest. Learn how those bonds are funded
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FFS, Con! The roads you use to get to national highways.....the local roads, the roads you use 100% of the time, are funded by LOCAL BONDS, not federal tax dollars.

What, is your house's property line against a federal highway, bypassing all state/local roads?

I guess your post generating software did not recognize the argument.....Good grief.
 
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