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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Democrats wanted single payer, all this insurance companies as the middle men, as well as the mandate, are Republican from their inception back when suggested during Clinton's day and clearly evidenced in Romneycare which is what ACA ended up fashioned after. Not at all what Democrats wanted but compromised to.
    No, they took similar parts to an op ed of a proposed plan that never would have worked, and placed it in as a trojan horse, to single payer...Why are liberals so dishonest?
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Democrats wanted single payer, all this insurance companies as the middle men, as well as the mandate, are Republican from their inception back when suggested during Clinton's day and clearly evidenced in Romneycare which is what ACA ended up fashioned after. Not at all what Democrats wanted but compromised to.

    Two things:

    1) NONE of the f*ck up here has anything to do with the private health insurers. The GOVERNMENT f*cked up here and you think the solution is to give them MORE responsibility.

    2) As I have said many times, Republicans love when Democrats entertain Republican ideas... they just ask that you not pull them from their trash cans.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Democrats wanted single payer...
    Well why didn't they get it? It's not like they didn't hold majorities in Congress and WH...
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

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    Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

    This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

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    What say you?
    I remember when Bush rammed through his Medicare drug plan. The rollout was a disaster, and the Democrats wanted it done away with. Computer glitches made it so that senior citizens were unable to do the cost comparisons and choose the best price, and so that part of the program was delayed. In addition, some seniors were unable to get their prescriptions filled, due to computer glitches. Finally, it resulted in the Medicare Part D coverage gap, also known as the infamous donut hole. However, after some tweaking, things were much better than before the Bush plan, and seniors ended up saving a lot of money. I suspect that it will be the same here.

    But there is one difference between Bush's plan and Obama's plan, and that difference sticks out like a sore thumb. Although Democrats wanted the Bush plan killed, they didn't advocate shutting down the government or defaulting on the nation's bills.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I remember when Bush rammed through his Medicare drug plan. The rollout was a disaster, and the Democrats wanted it done away with. Computer glitches made it so that senior citizens were unable to do the cost comparisons and choose the best price, and so that part of the program was delayed. In addition, some seniors were unable to get their prescriptions filled, due to computer glitches. Finally, it resulted in the Medicare Part D coverage gap, also known as the infamous donut hole. However, after some tweaking, things were much better than before the Bush plan, and seniors ended up saving a lot of money. I suspect that it will be the same here.

    But there is one difference between Bush's plan and Obama's plan, and that difference sticks out like a sore thumb. Although Democrats wanted the Bush plan killed, they didn't advocate shutting down the government or defaulting on the nation's bills.
    There is another 'sore thumb' difference...Medicare part D DID get several votes from Democrats especially in the Senate...PPACA Republican votes - 0
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

    This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

    Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

    Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

    I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

    What say you?
    Well, since this was not meant to work from the start, anything to delay the inevitable (except the tax portion of this "free" healthcare, I bet).

    Of course, in typical tradition of socialists through time, the failures will be blamed on opposition, as opposed to their own actual ineptitude...

    Oh wait...
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, they took similar parts to an op ed of a proposed plan that never would have worked, and placed it in as a trojan horse, to single payer...Why are liberals so dishonest?
    I sincerely wish I could believe that our elected Democrats were that intelligent. The last place person to demonstrate that level of forward thinking was the villain in the last James Bond movie.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    There is another 'sore thumb' difference...Medicare part D DID get several votes from Democrats especially in the Senate...PPACA Republican votes - 0
    It did, but you are skirting both issues I brought up and basically talking around the 'Q'..

    1) Once again I stress that NO Democrat advocated or threatened to shut down the government over it either, although the vast majority of Democrats were opposed to the bill.

    2) And, once again, despite a LOT of computer glitches that marred the Republican rollout of Part D, it eventually started working smoothly, and provided seniors a better deal than they were getting.

    Despite the spin and lies (yes, lies) from the Democrats, it became part of health care in America. Today, just the reverse is happening. What is called Obamacare is the plan originally put forward by the conservative think tank "The Heritage Foundation", and endorsed by many mainstream Republicans. Had Republicans passed this, and a Republican president signed it, the GOP wouldn't be raising such a stink over it. The Tea Partiers would probably be raising hell over it, though, but now that sensible people are taking the party back, the Tea Party is losing major support, and will be dead within a couple of years.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ninety percent of the people that voted for Obama wouldn't understand a word you just wrote. They don't watch gubment on TV. That's the problem with your point. They'll vote for the "D" like they always do, because that stands for "Da free stuff!"
    talk about rich irony

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It did, but you are skirting both issues I brought up and basically talking around the 'Q'..

    1) Once again I stress that NO Democrat advocated or threatened to shut down the government over it either, although the vast majority of Democrats were opposed to the bill.

    2) And, once again, despite a LOT of computer glitches that marred the Republican rollout of Part D, it eventually started working smoothly, and provided seniors a better deal than they were getting.

    Despite the spin and lies (yes, lies) from the Democrats, it became part of health care in America. Today, just the reverse is happening. What is called Obamacare is the plan originally put forward by the conservative think tank "The Heritage Foundation", and endorsed by many mainstream Republicans. Had Republicans passed this, and a Republican president signed it, the GOP wouldn't be raising such a stink over it. The Tea Partiers would probably be raising hell over it, though, but now that sensible people are taking the party back, the Tea Party is losing major support, and will be dead within a couple of years.
    Yours is also spin... It was written by the insurance companies that intend to benefit from Obamacare... Which was virtually identical to the plan given by Romney.

    When will Americans realize that they are run by an equivalent of a mafia that shares power over election cycles. And just like a mafia card game, sure they all hate each other, and every so often they kill (politically in this case) each other... But if someone outside threatens the game (tea party) they will both step up to defend the game in their own ways.

    Oh and btw, the sentiment of the tea parties is growing... Tangibly. It's not about the tea party, even if / when it does it will come back in a stronger incarnation...

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