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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Your ignorant charge of Obama acting like a spoiled child is irrelevant. It's no more than political rhetoric. What is relevant is that the blame for the shutdown has been firmly placed where it belongs in the minds of the majority of the electorate. I need not remind you of the facts.
    Nothing ignorant about stating facts. Obama pouted and acted like a spoiled petulant little child. His actions and that of his administration were the ultimate in embarrassing. That he refused to even consider a delay in the individual mandate (in light of the fact that the system was not worthy of being brought on line and that he had already recognized the failure that is the business mandate) contributed significantly to the shutdown. Of course...mindless ideologues will ONLY see 'the other guys' as the problem.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Obama et al, never said they wouldn't consider a delay in anything, or to discuss any other ideas.

    What he said was he wouldn't discuss in relation to re-opening the government. He said over and over he was open to hearing all ideas, after and not relating to the government paying bills already incurred, and allowing government to function as it is currently mandated to through all the bills Congress has passed over the centuries.

    What he and the demo's say, and what they do, are two totally different things....

    House Republicans are starting to fill in the details of what health-care policies they would prefer over Obamacare. The 175 conservative representatives in the Republican Study Committee released a plan last week. It’s a good start, but there’s room for improvement.

    The plan, which is mostly the work of Representatives Phil Roe and Steve Scalise, repeals President Barack Obama’s health-care law. It replaces the unlimited tax break for employer-provided health insurance with a new tax deduction -- $7,500 for individuals or $20,000 for families -- to purchase health insurance, whether through an employer or on their own. It would let insurers sell policies across state lines. And it would put $25 billion into high-risk pools to help people who would still be unable to buy insurance.

    The prevailing liberal reaction to the plan has been to dismiss it. It isn’t a serious alternative to the Affordable Care Act, they say, because it doesn’t provide health insurance to as many people or offer the same protections to those with pre-existing conditions. Obamacare supporters expect the law to increase the number of people with insurance by 25 million. The Lewin Group has estimated that a tax deduction would increase that number by only about 9 million.

    A Serious Republican Health-Care Plan - Bloomberg
    And this isn't the only "suggestion" or "being open to hearing all ideas".... Instead the M.O. for Barry O. and Co. is to say wonderful things like this, then when repubs bring forth their ideas, instead of listening, all they do is dismiss them, and then go out on the same old media tour, talking about how repubs haven't offered anything....It's a lie period.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    In actual fact, you could take away the sarcasm and you would be dead right for all of the world's wealthy first world countries. In regards to health care, the US doesn't fit anymore. Even Switzerland, one of the most firmly established capitalist systems in the world say the light and joined the rest of the world.

    The fact is, Americans know they need to do the same. Some of them just can't stomach having it done for them by a black president. That's a poor reason to object and for that reason alone it will happen eventually. Perhaps some satisfaction could come out of it happening later under some other president's watch. Who the **** cares other than those who are being bankrupted by the lousy system in place now.
    Again, other countries that aren't governed by the Constitution, which is built around a premise that it's not the Government's JOB to take care of you, it's your job. And rightly so. So much is wrong with the single payer system, so much reliance on an uncaring bureaucratic machine that will dictate to you your life. Why do people want that?
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Again, other countries that aren't governed by the Constitution, which is built around a premise that it's not the Government's JOB to take care of you, it's your job. And rightly so. So much is wrong with the single payer system, so much reliance on an uncaring bureaucratic machine that will dictate to you your life. Why do people want that?
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Medicare is the single best thing that happened for seniors in the United States of America since its founding. Extending Medicare-type coverage to every American would not be a stunt.
    Of course it is, they handed of preparing to care for themselves and passed it on to their kids and grand kids. Socialism is always a great idea... till you bleed the money dry.
    [Medicare Hospital Insurance Trust Fund] expenditures have exceeded income annually since 2008 and are projected to continue doing so under current law in all future years. Trust Fund interest earnings and asset redemptions are required to cover the difference. HI assets are projected to cover annual deficits through 2023, with asset depletion in 2024. After asset depletion, if Congress were to take no further action, projected HI Trust Fund revenue would be adequate to cover 87 percent of estimated expenditures in 2024 and 67 percent of projected costs in 2050. In practice, Congress has never allowed a Medicare trust fund to exhaust its assets.

    The financial projections for Medicare reflect substantial cost savings resulting from the Affordable Care Act, but also show that further action is needed to address the program’s continuing cost growth.
    MEDICARE STABLE, BUT REQUIRES STRENGTHENING


    But hey, enjoy it while you can. Just like all the other insolvent social programs, the piper is coming, and it's not gonna be pretty.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Hey Vicchio, I haven't seen you in a while. How've ya been?
    Busy, got an interweb job doing sports writing. ten points to the first person aside a certain mod that knows to send it to me in an IM
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    So they are willing to delay in the interest of fairness to Americans, rather than partisan politics, and this is news?
    Well yeah, considering they have refused to do so up to this point......

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What he and the demo's say, and what they do, are two totally different things....



    And this isn't the only "suggestion" or "being open to hearing all ideas".... Instead the M.O. for Barry O. and Co. is to say wonderful things like this, then when repubs bring forth their ideas, instead of listening, all they do is dismiss them, and then go out on the same old media tour, talking about how repubs haven't offered anything....It's a lie period.
    He/they agreed hearing all ideas, he didn't commit to taking inane ones seriously.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    How is that spin? Obama and the Democrats believe in the ACA. Their refusal to delay when Republicans demanded it was because they believed in the legislation. The reason they may be willing to delay now, however, would not be based upon the quality of the legislation, but rather in fairness to those who have been unable to comply with the law for reasons outside the citizen's control.

    It's not spin to tell the truth. It's quite telling of team politics when you think it is.
    Impossible for them to believe in that bill. None of them read it when they passed it and Obama sure didn't read it when he signed it. The reason they may be willing to delay now is, it's hot garbage and it's beginning to smell. Just like the GOP told them it was from the very beginning. The Dems though, played politics with peoples lives, jobs, health insurance and so on, shut the government down in their political theater and now are starting to fess up to the facts of their disastrous creation because they are stuck in it.

    The only good news for the Dems in any of this is so many of their supporters couldn't spell cat if you gave them the c and the a. But the productive people in America will continue to see how unfair this law is and many more will as soon as their rate increases hit or their hours get cut.

    But keep spinning. It's pretty funny.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Of course it is, they handed of preparing to care for themselves and passed it on to their kids and grand kids. Socialism is always a great idea... till you bleed the money dry.

    MEDICARE STABLE, BUT REQUIRES STRENGTHENING

    But hey, enjoy it while you can. Just like all the other insolvent social programs, the piper is coming, and it's not gonna be pretty.
    When you're only charging seniors $104 a month for their Medicare Part B and Part A is free, what would you expect? Of course there's a shortfall. And that shortfall should be taken up by the general fund, in my opinion...which -- it probably is. It would be interesting to know how that shortfall compares with the subsidies the government is going to hand out for Obamacare, wouldn't it?

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