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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Nothing says freedom, liberty, personal responsibility or fiscal responsibility like "Single Payer" forced socialized medicine. You think the economy is paltry now, try that stunt.
    In actual fact, you could take away the sarcasm and you would be dead right for all of the world's wealthy first world countries. In regards to health care, the US doesn't fit anymore. Even Switzerland, one of the most firmly established capitalist systems in the world say the light and joined the rest of the world.

    The fact is, Americans know they need to do the same. Some of them just can't stomach having it done for them by a black president. That's a poor reason to object and for that reason alone it will happen eventually. Perhaps some satisfaction could come out of it happening later under some other president's watch. Who the **** cares other than those who are being bankrupted by the lousy system in place now.

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    Yet we know the GOP House members like Ryan on the Conference committee want "reform" here..
    I don't have a problem with that word, but how we will do it is just one more problem on the plate..
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Medicare is the single best thing that happened for seniors in the United States of America since its founding.
    Extending Medicare-type coverage to every American would not be a stunt.
    Social Security will also be on the GOP plate..
    Meanwhile, GOP govs in purple states up for reelection are taking the Medicaid .
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Actually, I think this would let him say "See? Like I've been saying all along, we're willing to talk about this, just not under threat of government shutdown."

    Plus, the GOP isn't trying to derail Obamacare over any sense of duty to the American people. They literally want the law to make things worse, because that helps them politically.

    Well, that would be his attempted spin I guess. But things called ads, and facts may get in his way of trying to alter the universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    Medicare is the single best thing that happened for seniors in the United States of America since its founding. Extending Medicare-type coverage to every American would not be a stunt.
    It is also BROKE! trillions in unfunded liabilities. Single payer would look less like Medicare, except for the cute little card one carries in their wallet, and more like VA health care. Plus I am NOT look for my paycheck take home drop any more! I have bills to pay too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Great spin. LOL. But people having problems with Obamadon'tcare know who is responsible for the disaster. It ain't the GOP.
    How is that spin? Obama and the Democrats believe in the ACA. Their refusal to delay when Republicans demanded it was because they believed in the legislation. The reason they may be willing to delay now, however, would not be based upon the quality of the legislation, but rather in fairness to those who have been unable to comply with the law for reasons outside the citizen's control.

    It's not spin to tell the truth. It's quite telling of team politics when you think it is.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Yes, you're right but still there has been damage done to the bagger brand. I would suggest that the worst of it is among their benefactors who would be completely opposed to a gov shutdown or a debt ceiling debate that is completely meaningless. The fact that the latter is meaningless is a clear indication of their destructive mindset for no good purpose.

    But as I said, Cruz's future actions will be closer to the date of elections and every indication from the last one is that it will be just as destructive for his cause. For that reason it should be covertly encouraged by the Dem powers that be. But only covertly.

    Cruz and his bagger cohorts will very likely carefully weigh the political climate before embarking on the same stupid task again. That makes it pretty unlikely even though they need to keep up appearances now to make it out as a success. They're in a difficult position, firstly because the mainstream GOP has turned against them even though it's not made public for obvious reasons. And secondly, because there is no indication that it will be more successful the next time than it was this time.

    Another issue to note is the forced reception Cruz received from his supporters in Texas. A standing ovation that lasted for 6 or 7 minutes went overboard for the credibility factor. Had it been limited to a minute it would have been more convincing for the audience that it was intended for. In essence, they knew it was all a lost cause for Cruz and they wanted to have it displayed as something different for them at least. It failed because of the absurdity of 7 minutes standing and clapping.

    I'm anxious to see how Cruz will play it out the next time. I know it won't be in the same manner but I can't imagine how he will modify it to make it less damaging to the country in the eyes of the people. His big problem now is, if he doesn't try it again then he will be condemned by the feeble minds that think it was a positive move for him. He'll obviously have to resort to something less effective that doesn't have teeth.

    Or how about having somebody else carry the ball for him and then he takes to opposing in some way? Could he pull that off to make him look like the responsible 'good guy' politician? He obviously has to come up with some kind of ingenious plan because right now he's dead meat as a presidential candidate. Bagger support won't do it within the Repub party.
    I don't know what the future holds for Cruz, but he is definitely out of the mainstream for sure. I do think the tea party will be a power sourse within the GOP for a few more years to come. But 2012 may have given us an indication where tea party member shrank from 60 to 47 and in the senate from 8 to 6. At least those numbers are the self identified tea party members.

    I think the tea party may actually be hurting the Republicans, how many more Aiken's, Mourdock's appearing and knocking of GOP candidates that looked like sure winners in the primaries only to have those tea party candidate lose. They have challenged McConnell in the KY primary with Bevin and Graham of all people in the SC Primary next year.

    The house is different as its districts are much smaller than states and very well could have been gerrymandered to retain the tea party members. Yes, the tea party really took a hit, so too did the Republican Party as a whole. Will it stick, now that is the question than none of can answer until sometime next year. Give it six months and we will see.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Obama et al, never said they wouldn't consider a delay in anything, or to discuss any other ideas.

    What he said was he wouldn't discuss in relation to re-opening the government. He said over and over he was open to hearing all ideas, after and not relating to the government paying bills already incurred, and allowing government to function as it is currently mandated to through all the bills Congress has passed over the centuries.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Obama et al, never said they wouldn't consider a delay in anything, or to discuss any other ideas.

    What he said was he wouldn't discuss in relation to re-opening the government. He said over and over he was open to hearing all ideas, after and not relating to the government paying bills already incurred, and allowing government to function as it is currently mandated to through all the bills Congress has passed over the centuries.
    When the President is ready to take a stand on the current climate of excluding all legislation from the 2010 Paygo Act because everything is "emergency spending"? Or was the 700 billion in annual spending increases since 2008 "passed over the centuries"?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    When the President is ready to take a stand on the current climate of excluding all legislation from the 2010 Paygo Act because everything is "emergency spending"? Or was the 700 billion in annual spending increases since 2008 "passed over the centuries"?
    Bless your little heart.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Obama et al, never said they wouldn't consider a delay in anything, or to discuss any other ideas.

    What he said was he wouldn't discuss in relation to re-opening the government. He said over and over he was open to hearing all ideas, after and not relating to the government paying bills already incurred, and allowing government to function as it is currently mandated to through all the bills Congress has passed over the centuries.

    I bet he's really wishing he had delayed it when the Republicans asked him to back in August.

    The funniest thing about this whole ordeal is that the Republicans were asking to delay the roll out at the same time the contractors were telling the administration that the site isn't ready AND the site had just failed a load test of a few hundred applicants.... and he held his ground. Full steam ahead! The iceberg will move!

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I bet he's really wishing he had delayed it when the Republicans asked him to back in August.

    The funniest thing about this whole ordeal is that the Republicans were asking to delay the roll out at the same time the contractors were telling the administration that the site isn't ready AND the site had just failed a load test of a few hundred applicants.... and he held his ground. Full steam ahead! The iceberg will move!
    I don't know, but he should've done that. If delaying mandate for one group, do all groups, OR better yet, only delay for the group that is most hurting (if you're a democrat) and that doesn't seem to be these huge corporations, it'd be individuals.

    He really, really screwed that up every possible way, and those Repubs couldn't care less about the those little individuals, but he left himself open for this attack. Open 'em, let be voluntary the first year, let kinks get worked out, and then... I could see that for being sensible, given the complications that the Repubs and insurance companies and Obama forced onto what should be uncomplicated and no need for any huge IT programs at all.
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