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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Let me know whenever you choose to actually answer the question you copied, not the question you wanted to answer because the real answer was inconvenient for you.

    Once more you avoid answering the question, and once more you affirm what I already knew to be true about Republicans and you.
    I mean, aside from repeal or the medical device tax, what have Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare, which is going no where as long as Democrats are the majority power in government.

    It's really not a difficult question. J-Mac already answered it, I'm just really curious as to why other people cannot be just as honest.

    No, the fact he has not answered my question (like j-mac did) means it is avoidance.

    No, what's REALLY happening is Conservative doesn't want to answer it because it makes his beloved team look like they are little more than children throwing a tantrum.

    Because I know his avoidance has nothing to do with not understanding the answer, but rather not wanting to answer because of team politics.
    What part of this do you not understand, Obamacare is irreparable and has to be repealed to make it better. I answered your question, you didn't like the truth or cannot handle the truth.

    What is it about people like you who continue to buy the Obama lies and ignore the actual results?

    I am part of NO team, I am a conservative, grew up a conservative Democrat until the party left me. You don't get it and never will, Obamacare is a disaster, "your" President lied to you, and the govt. that created a 17 trillion dollar debt somehow has changed and this legislation will lower costs and improve quality. How naïve and gullible people like you are but the question is why?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What part of this do you not understand, Obamacare is irreparable and has to be repealed to make it better. I answered your question, you didn't like the truth or cannot handle the truth.
    No, you did not answer it. In fact, you are deliberately avoiding answering it.

    Repeal cannot be answer to my question, for reasons I've already explained. Once more, your avoidance tells me more than your words could. It amazes me the desperate lengths some people will go to protect their party.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

    This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

    Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

    Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

    I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

    What say you?
    In retrospect the WH girls and guys must be crazy or insanely ignorant of things developing right under their noses. How could they whip up emotions about delaying ACA at a time, when it must have been blattently clear to anyone near the program that it was in for severe stress and backfire? Why did they not blame the Republicans for taking away medicine for the poor? They would have made monsters of the Conservative.

    But no! They pressure the thing through, close government and upset the world in order to show of their viral incompetence. This is staggering. What happened?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    BamaO and his band of skunks put forth obviously very little effort in the formation of this wonderful gift to all Americans and so like anything not thought out it needs years of repair, rethinking and redoing. Can anyone come up with another piece of legislation this fat that someone said pass it then read it. Added to the spying on the world America now has to look like a nation spiraling to it's own demise. This is what we get and deserve when we suddenly are enamored with an unqualified idiot that rises out of nowhere and vows to lead us to the promise land. "CHANGE HAS COME TO AMERICA" How pathetic we must look.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Can anyone come up with another piece of legislation this fat that someone said pass it then read it.
    The Patriot Act. That literally took me less than 2 seconds to come up with.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, you did not answer it. In fact, you are deliberately avoiding answering it.

    Repeal cannot be answer to my question, for reasons I've already explained. Once more, your avoidance tells me more than your words could. It amazes me the desperate lengths some people will go to protect their party.
    You are deliberately ignoring that Obamacare is irreparable so you want the Republicans to offer suggestions for improving a program that cannot be implemented successful and violates the promises Obama made.

    Don't know but it seems you have a reading comprehension problem I don't have a party, what I do have is the logic and common sense that you seem to lack.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are deliberately ignoring that Obamacare is irreparable so you want the Republicans to offer suggestions for improving a program that cannot be implemented successful and violates the promises Obama made.
    I'm deliberately ignoring your opinion Obamacare is irreparable, because A) I don't believe your opinion and B) it's false to say you cannot suggest improvements for something which is broken.

    You're deliberately avoiding answering my question because we both know what the answer is. So just admit what we both know and then everything will be great.

    Don't know but it seems you have a reading comprehension problem I don't have a party
    That's just utter nonsense. Of course you do, otherwise you would not be working so hard to avoid answering my simple question. You have a clear interest in protecting the Republican party.

    I find it amusing you constantly accuse me of being a liberal (when I clearly am not) and at the same time protest your obvious affiliation with the Republican party. I don't care what the facts are, I seek the facts and the truth. Your constant avoidance on this question clearly shows the difference between you and me.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Let me know whenever you choose to actually answer the question you copied, not the question you wanted to answer because the real answer was inconvenient for you.

    Once more you avoid answering the question, and once more you affirm what I already knew to be true about Republicans and you.
    I mean, aside from repeal or the medical device tax, what have Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare, which is going no where as long as Democrats are the majority power in government.
    No, I directly answered the question; how would you fix Obamacare?

    Answer: it's so bad that realistically the only "fix" is to scrap it and restart from scratch.

    Anything less is like throwing a coat of paint on a crumbling foundation.

    If your question actually was : What have the republicans pushed as Obamacare alternatives? Well, that goes to you not really understanding the question you were asking because the question of this post was different from te question of the last post.

    The answer to that, im not sure of what they proposed aside from romneys version, which was virtually identical, if not exactly te same. (close enough that even as an alinskeyite liberal you should have supported)

    It's really not a difficult question. J-Mac already answered it, I'm just really curious as to why other people cannot be just as honest.
    Well, that's part on your fault for not framing the question how you intended... Oh, and btw, when you ask a question and then list a series of answers that are Unnacceptable, it is you being dishonest. (though if you asked the question appropriately that wouldn't be an issue)

    No, the fact he has not answered my question (like j-mac did) means it is avoidance.
    First, what was his answer? I missed that one...

    Second, a lack of skills with language getting you wrong answers to your question is not others "avoidance" just that you were not asking the question you intended to ask.

    No, what's REALLY happening is Conservative doesn't want to answer it because it makes his beloved team look like they are little more than children throwing a tantrum.

    Because I know his avoidance has nothing to do with not understanding the answer, but rather not wanting to answer because of team politics.
    I dunno, 2 of 3 attempting an answer are "avoiding", more like not understanding what you wanted to ask.

    Consider how you simply did not even attempt to address half of the points I made just before... Was that avoidance and dodging as well?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No, I directly answered the question; how would you fix Obamacare?
    That may be, but that wasn't my question. You are answering a question I did not ask.

    By the way, the first part of my post was not directed to you. It appears as if you're replying to me as if it was.

    If your question actually was : What have the republicans pushed as Obamacare alternatives?
    That wasn't my question either. What's sad about this is you even quoted my actual question.

    Well, that's part on your fault for not framing the question how you intended
    Nonsense, I framed it exactly how I intended it and I'm still waiting on Conservative (and apparently you now) to answer it.

    ... Oh, and btw, when you ask a question and then list a series of answers that are Unnacceptable, it is you being dishonest. (though if you asked the question appropriately that wouldn't be an issue)
    Nonsense again. When you intentionally or unintentionally twist the question into something I did not ask, it is not me who is being dishonest.

    First, what was his answer? I missed that one...
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    But no, the repubs have not offered "fixes" to Obamacare, and in large part I think a that is due to the toxic relationship between the parties these days that is not helped by either side in this.
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    The only reason I didn't quote him is to avoid having him to click in a thread to realize he's not needed.

    Second, a lack of skills with language getting you wrong answers to your question is not others "avoidance" just that you were not asking the question you intended to ask.
    Except I am asking the question I intended and have continued to ask it. You even quoted it. The problem is not on my end, the problem is on the end of the person deliberately avoiding answering it.

    I dunno, 2 of 3 attempting an answer are "avoiding", more like not understanding what you wanted to ask.
    It cannot be more clear. I'll even repeat for you (which means I've posted the same question more than 5 times now, I believe).

    "Aside from repeal or the medical device tax, what have Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare, which is going no where as long as Democrats are the majority power in government."

    Consider how you simply did not even attempt to address half of the points I made just before... Was that avoidance and dodging as well?
    It was me deciding not to allow you to sidetrack me from the issue I'm currently pushing. If you answer my question, then much like I told Conservative, I'll be happy to discuss the other things. But my answer comes first and I will not allow you or him/her to try and distract from answering.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The Patriot Act. That literally took me less than 2 seconds to come up with.
    That bill was a bit under 400 pages, not quite the 2,400 page bill that the ACA was.

    We see the wisdom today in the call to break the bill down into manageable chunks in 2010. A lot of this crap we are slogging through today could have been remediated before it was ever signed into law.

    Of course the other problem with the ACA was that not only was it 2400 pages, but it was filled with place holders for the regulations that would be filled in later. "The Secretary of HHS will..."

    Since it's passage the 900 pages of the bill actually dedicated to health care law has ballooned to 11,000 pages of new federal regulations written by a demonstrably incompetent, untrustworthy Administration.

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