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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    And that's why the best thing that could happen for Obama and the Dems is that Cruz tries his lame stunt again. There's little doubt which way it will go and who will be blamed the next time. Not to mention that Obamacare becomes more popular as time goes on and more people are benefitting.

    Ignorant stupid bagger racists such as Cruz know no bounds of sanity.
    Personally, I think next year, more than a year away will be decided by events and issues that are to come and unforeseeable at the moment. The Republicans did do the ACA a great favor, if they kept quiet about it and made it an election issue next year, who knows? But their chances would be a whole lot better. Time will tell.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    \Why would that be the case? I mean, they already have been able to reap the benefits of a premium boom due to the mandates on this turd of a law, and as we know well, in that industry, what goes up, stays up....So, I actually think that pulling the plug on this and starting over would actually settle them down a bit.
    When actuaries determine policy rates, a good portion of the data they use is "how many healthy people do we expect to enroll?" In fact, I'd say that's the #1 most important consideration in determining premiums. If the mandate is delayed, the healthy won't enroll anywhere close to expected numbers. THAT destroys their actuarial model.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yep, and as folks have been 'conditioned' since PPACA passage to expect something this merely eases the paving of the single payer pathway...going back to pre-PPACA will be unacceptable to these folks...WTF was the GOP thinking?
    Single payer modeled after Medicare is exactly what should have happened.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Single payer modeled after Medicare is exactly what should have happened.
    Yep, but that was bargained away to get Obamacare in the very beginning. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Personally, I think next year, more than a year away will be decided by events and issues that are to come and unforeseeable at the moment. The Republicans did do the ACA a great favor, if they kept quiet about it and made it an election issue next year, who knows? But their chances would be a whole lot better. Time will tell.
    Yes, you're right but still there has been damage done to the bagger brand. I would suggest that the worst of it is among their benefactors who would be completely opposed to a gov shutdown or a debt ceiling debate that is completely meaningless. The fact that the latter is meaningless is a clear indication of their destructive mindset for no good purpose.

    But as I said, Cruz's future actions will be closer to the date of elections and every indication from the last one is that it will be just as destructive for his cause. For that reason it should be covertly encouraged by the Dem powers that be. But only covertly.

    Cruz and his bagger cohorts will very likely carefully weigh the political climate before embarking on the same stupid task again. That makes it pretty unlikely even though they need to keep up appearances now to make it out as a success. They're in a difficult position, firstly because the mainstream GOP has turned against them even though it's not made public for obvious reasons. And secondly, because there is no indication that it will be more successful the next time than it was this time.

    Another issue to note is the forced reception Cruz received from his supporters in Texas. A standing ovation that lasted for 6 or 7 minutes went overboard for the credibility factor. Had it been limited to a minute it would have been more convincing for the audience that it was intended for. In essence, they knew it was all a lost cause for Cruz and they wanted to have it displayed as something different for them at least. It failed because of the absurdity of 7 minutes standing and clapping.

    I'm anxious to see how Cruz will play it out the next time. I know it won't be in the same manner but I can't imagine how he will modify it to make it less damaging to the country in the eyes of the people. His big problem now is, if he doesn't try it again then he will be condemned by the feeble minds that think it was a positive move for him. He'll obviously have to resort to something less effective that doesn't have teeth.

    Or how about having somebody else carry the ball for him and then he takes to opposing in some way? Could he pull that off to make him look like the responsible 'good guy' politician? He obviously has to come up with some kind of ingenious plan because right now he's dead meat as a presidential candidate. Bagger support won't do it within the Repub party.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Thats why that whole shut down was so retarded and why Obama shares at least a significant portion of the blame. He already insists that the business mandate was screwed up and must be delayed. Rather than have a logical discussion about delaying the private mandate, he acted like a little spoiled child. Now...he looks not only like a little child but incompetent to boot.

    Oh..and heres the REALLY fun part...watching all the 'supporters' of the ACA jumping ship like rats. Gosh...they never knew they were supporting such bad legislation!

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The part in bold, especially the italic part will never happen. That would mean that Obama would have to say that Cruz was right....He won't do that.



    Why would that be the case? I mean, they already have been able to reap the benefits of a premium boom due to the mandates on this turd of a law, and as we know well, in that industry, what goes up, stays up....So, I actually think that pulling the plug on this and starting over would actually settle them down a bit.
    Actually, I think this would let him say "See? Like I've been saying all along, we're willing to talk about this, just not under threat of government shutdown."

    Plus, the GOP isn't trying to derail Obamacare over any sense of duty to the American people. They literally want the law to make things worse, because that helps them politically.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Single payer modeled after Medicare is exactly what should have happened.
    Nothing says freedom, liberty, personal responsibility or fiscal responsibility like "Single Payer" forced socialized medicine. You think the economy is paltry now, try that stunt.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats why that whole shut down was so retarded and why Obama shares at least a significant portion of the blame. He already insists that the business mandate was screwed up and must be delayed. Rather than have a logical discussion about delaying the private mandate, he acted like a little spoiled child. Now...he looks not only like a little child but incompetent to boot.

    Oh..and heres the REALLY fun part...watching all the 'supporters' of the ACA jumping ship like rats. Gosh...they never knew they were supporting such bad legislation!
    Your ignorant charge of Obama acting like a spoiled child is irrelevant. It's no more than political rhetoric. What is relevant is that the blame for the shutdown has been firmly placed where it belongs in the minds of the majority of the electorate. I need not remind you of the facts.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Nothing says freedom, liberty, personal responsibility or fiscal responsibility like "Single Payer" forced socialized medicine. You think the economy is paltry now, try that stunt.
    Medicare is the single best thing that happened for seniors in the United States of America since its founding. Extending Medicare-type coverage to every American would not be a stunt.

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