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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    I have done no such thing. I merely provided you with a link that shows taxes being roughly equal in our two countries, with a slight advantage to Canadians in more income brackets. The link also discusses the differences in states and provinces and mentions that it is difficult to make the comparisons. And I even added that gasoline is cheaper at the pump in the US than it is in Canada.

    Put your taxes up against mine any time you like. It will give you an idea of how we compare as individuals in our respective countries. If you think that's going to earn you some points then give it a try.

    Yes, I know you don't care what the World Health Organization says. I find that it's seldom that Americans do care about people in other countries, as well as not really caring to hear statistics that are not pleasing to their own agenda. So after you read the statistics below then you can make it go away if you like.

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
    I was wrong, you're not one better than Cuba, you're two better. Not bad for a banana republic is it! And not all that bad for the US either considering there are a whole lot worse, albeit most are third world and banana republics!

    And fwiw, your link said about the same thing as mine. What's your problem with the link I gave you?
    Wow! I have to say I am shocked....I looked it up, and all the WHO crap, and other talk aside, Michael is right, Canada in raw rates looks shockingly similar to America in taxation....(Although we do have 10 times the population) And I am not sure what the welfare situation is in Canada. jmotivator showed some areas where hidden taxation are markedly higher in Canada. But, it just blows my mind, because I would have thought that outright tax rates in Canada would have been about 10% points higher.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

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    What has the Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare? You can continue to twist words all you want, I just want a simple answer to the question. I'm still waiting. The fact you're still twisting words and won't answer a simple question says a lot.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow! I have to say I am shocked....I looked it up, and all the WHO crap, and other talk aside, Michael is right, Canada in raw rates looks shockingly similar to America in taxation....(Although we do have 10 times the population) And I am not sure what the welfare situation is in Canada. jmotivator showed some areas where hidden taxation are markedly higher in Canada. But, it just blows my mind, because I would have thought that outright tax rates in Canada would have been about 10% points higher.
    If you are being honest and not facetious then you are indicating a lack of knowledge about the topic. That could be because you have taken the word of the faction that has an interest in making it look like something different.

    I appreciate your honesty.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    I have done no such thing. I merely provided you with a link that shows taxes being roughly equal in our two countries, with a slight advantage to Canadians in more income brackets. The link also discusses the differences in states and provinces and mentions that it is difficult to make the comparisons. And I even added that gasoline is cheaper at the pump in the US than it is in Canada.

    Put your taxes up against mine any time you like. It will give you an idea of how we compare as individuals in our respective countries. If you think that's going to earn you some points then give it a try.

    Yes, I know you don't care what the World Health Organization says. I find that it's seldom that Americans do care about people in other countries, as well as not really caring to hear statistics that are not pleasing to their own agenda. So after you read the statistics below then you can make it go away if you like.

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
    I was wrong, you're not one better than Cuba, you're two better. Not bad for a banana republic is it! And not all that bad for the US either considering there are a whole lot worse, albeit most are third world and banana republics!

    And fwiw, your link said about the same thing as mine. What's your problem with the link I gave you?
    What you want to ignore is that we have different cost of livings in different states as well which is ignored.

    As for the WHO, here is a pretty good analysis as to the accuracy of their ranking but of course aren't relevant to you.

    Ill-Conceived Ranking Makes for Unhealthy Debate - WSJ.com

    WHO rankings are irrelevant and are trumped by the individual relationship with their doctors and insurance plan. You see that reality escapes you. I am very happy with my insurance plan and my doctor no longer accepts Medicare which is the growing trend in this country. It also does seem that about 45% or less in this country support Obamacare so they aren't paying much attention to the rankings either.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    If you are being honest and not facetious then you are indicating a lack of knowledge about the topic. That could be because you have taken the word of the faction that has an interest in making it look like something different.

    I appreciate your honesty.
    No,no...I was being totally honest...I always thought, ever since being stationed in Germany in the 80s that countries that had all encompassing programs like that just paid more in taxes.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    If you are being honest and not facetious then you are indicating a lack of knowledge about the topic. That could be because you have taken the word of the faction that has an interest in making it look like something different.

    I appreciate your honesty.
    How about a little on your part. How can anyone compare healthcare between countries as diverse as our two? Do you think the WHO surveys the Eskimos? You have 34 million people on one of the biggest land masses in the world and that affects not only data but also choices people have to make, choices of drugs, alcohol, fatty foods, and I could go on.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No,no...I was being totally honest...I always thought, ever since being stationed in Germany in the 80s that countries that had all encompassing programs like that just paid more in taxes.
    What Michael wants us all to ignore is the cost of living with taxes being part of those. It has been noted the hidden taxes but a 20 point difference in cost of living between countries is being ignored.

    Cost of Living Index by Country 2013

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What Michael wants us all to ignore is the cost of living with taxes being part of those. It has been noted the hidden taxes but a 20 point difference in cost of living between countries is being ignored.

    Cost of Living Index by Country 2013
    I know there has to be something in there, and if anyone can get to the bottom of figures, and stats, I'd put my money on you.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about a little on your part. How can anyone compare healthcare between countries as diverse as our two? Do you think the WHO surveys the Eskimos? You have 34 million people on one of the biggest land masses in the world and that affects not only data but also choices people have to make, choices of drugs, alcohol, fatty foods, and I could go on.
    In my honest opinion I think the WHO also surveys the health care of eskimos, including those in Alaska. Why wouldn't they when looking at a whole country?

    I don't see how admitting that Americans have poor eating habits and are not to be considered equal to Canadians in the ways you stated, has anything to do with quality of health care. Are you really suggesting that Americans aren't equal to Canadians in all those ways?

    So where do you think I'm not being honest?

    I think you are actually trying to say that the WHO isn't being honest but I think that's nothing more than sour grapes.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I know there has to be something in there, and if anyone can get to the bottom of figures, and stats, I'd put my money on you.
    I could but it is a waste of time dealing with some of these people here who ignore the data and still promote an ideology. What those numbers show is that the cost of living in Canada is 20 points higher than the United States which supports the previous posts that Canada has hidden taxes that drive up housing, food, and other required living expenses. Published tax rates don't tell the whole story, cost of living indexes do.

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