It's amazing how short sighted a majority are (including a portion that silently oppose, which is equivalent to consent) that they would vote for themselves all sorts of free stuff.
I agree about keeping on message and being able to explain WHY programs like this are detrimental to all...the regressives will ensure that the system gets destroyed for all. It's like the saying; "the road to hell is paved with good intention".
Breaking through the, what could easily be called mind control, is going to be the big challenge since so few want to give up "freebies", even though those freebies already doubled the cost.
Mornin' sly...I thought this was a good question, because 1. republicans are horrible at messaging, and 2. there have been several plans over the past couple of years from republican doctors in the House, and Senate that have addressed a different way to do this. The most recent being right before the shutdown...Originally Posted by slyfox696
House conservatives submit bill to replace 'ObamaCare,' amid 'defund' fight | Fox News
But, as usual Harry Reid tables all of these proposals from the repub house, and doesn't allow debate on them, or a vote of any kind. Then, he, and other demo's turn and disingenuously say that repubs have not put anything forward...It's just not true.
I'd like to see, aside from repeal/defund/delay and the medical device tax (which has support on both sides), what proposals Republicans are offering to improve Obamacare, not replace it.
Conservative seems unwilling or incapable of providing such information. Maybe you can help me instead. It's a question I genuinely have, as I always like to have the most facts available. What proposals have the Republicans officially offered to improve Obamacare?
I would like to suggest a new slogan for Obamacare:
Obamacare: Pay More, Eat Less, Lose Weight!
Well, to be honest about it sly, I don't believe that the repubs believe that keeping the PPACA in place as it exists is workable with changes. And to be fair, why should repubs work to fix a law they didn't agree with, a law they don't want, and a law that their constituents are pleading with them to get rid of? But no, the repubs have not offered "fixes" to Obamacare, and in large part I think a that is due to the toxic relationship between the parties these days that is not helped by either side in this.
It seems to me Republicans, if they were truly concerned about citizens, would do their best to make the best of what they consider a bad situation.
Because it's what they are supposed to do? Their job is not to "win", their job is to do what's best for their citizens. Right now, they cannot get rid of Obamacare, they simply do not have the power. So instead of yelling, how about you at least work to improve it? And if the situation changes where Republicans gain power, then you work to repeal it and replace it.And to be fair, why should repubs work to fix a law they didn't agree with, a law they don't want
There are many sides to this argument. First of all, many of the constituents are not pleading with them to get rid of many of the things Obamacare does, they are pleading with them to get rid of the legislation passed by Democrats which Republicans have spent the last several years criticizing. I think most people, on both sides, agree with the pre-existing condition portion of Obamacare. They like keeping children on insurance until 26. I bet they like knowing if insurance companies don't spend 80% of premiums on medical care, then their customers will get a refund. I suspect the majority of people in this country like all of those things. What many Republican voters don't like is the legislation was passed by Democrats.and a law that their constituents are pleading with them to get rid of?
Second of all, you make an excellent point. Representatives are elected to represent the will of the people. But third of all, representatives are also elected to do what's best for the country. What they are doing is clearly not best for the country, even according to their own rhetoric of Obamacare's flaws.
I agree completely. The problem for Republicans is it's hard to take them seriously about looking out for the best interests of Americans when they seem completely averse to doing anything to better the legislation, which reality says they are stuck with.But no, the repubs have not offered "fixes" to Obamacare, and in large part I think a that is due to the toxic relationship between the parties these days that is not helped by either side in this.