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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, my reading is just fine. Why can you not answer a simple question?

    What has the Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare? You can continue to twist words all you want, I just want a simple answer to the question. I'm still waiting. The fact you're still twisting words and won't answer a simple question says a lot.
    Any of the items in the proposal would have improved Obamacare but the most important item would be to repeal it and let the states do it.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    If there is one thing that Obama, and progressive demo's have done by attempting to take over the Health insurance industry, it is that the progressives have really ripped the top off of the problems that existed, and exposed just how little we were doing about it before this. So, we are going to have to get a whole lot better at message, and talking with the people about what they want, not at the people about what we want to do. If we don't do that, then progressives will continue to beat us like a drum with the constant message of 'vote for us, vote for stuff.'...
    I agree with the rest; and yes, this really did force the issues concerning healthcare to the forefront...

    It's amazing how short sighted a majority are (including a portion that silently oppose, which is equivalent to consent) that they would vote for themselves all sorts of free stuff.

    I agree about keeping on message and being able to explain WHY programs like this are detrimental to all...the regressives will ensure that the system gets destroyed for all. It's like the saying; "the road to hell is paved with good intention".

    Breaking through the, what could easily be called mind control, is going to be the big challenge since so few want to give up "freebies", even though those freebies already doubled the cost.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

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    Any of the items in the proposal would have improved Obamacare but the most important item would be to repeal it and let the states do it.
    That's why they won't accept; you came up with a proposed solution that doesn't involve expanding government controls over society...

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by slyfox696
    Now, tell me...aside from getting rid of Obamacare, exactly what improvements have Republicans formally proposed? The medical device tax? Okay, it's something which seems to have support on both sides of the aisle. It will likely be amended. What else have Republicans proposed?
    Mornin' sly...I thought this was a good question, because 1. republicans are horrible at messaging, and 2. there have been several plans over the past couple of years from republican doctors in the House, and Senate that have addressed a different way to do this. The most recent being right before the shutdown...

    House conservatives submit bill to replace 'ObamaCare,' amid 'defund' fight | Fox News

    But, as usual Harry Reid tables all of these proposals from the repub house, and doesn't allow debate on them, or a vote of any kind. Then, he, and other demo's turn and disingenuously say that repubs have not put anything forward...It's just not true.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

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    Any of the items in the proposal would have improved Obamacare but the most important item would be to repeal it and let the states do it.
    That's not what I asked you. Please answer the question I asked.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Mornin' sly...I thought this was a good question, because 1. republicans are horrible at messaging, and 2. there have been several plans over the past couple of years from republican doctors in the House, and Senate that have addressed a different way to do this. The most recent being right before the shutdown...

    House conservatives submit bill to replace 'ObamaCare,' amid 'defund' fight | Fox News

    But, as usual Harry Reid tables all of these proposals from the repub house, and doesn't allow debate on them, or a vote of any kind. Then, he, and other demo's turn and disingenuously say that repubs have not put anything forward...It's just not true.
    But that's not improving Obamacare, that's doing away with it completely and offering to institute their own plan. That's simply not realistic, given the fact Republicans are the minority party in government right now.

    I'd like to see, aside from repeal/defund/delay and the medical device tax (which has support on both sides), what proposals Republicans are offering to improve Obamacare, not replace it.

    Conservative seems unwilling or incapable of providing such information. Maybe you can help me instead. It's a question I genuinely have, as I always like to have the most facts available. What proposals have the Republicans officially offered to improve Obamacare?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    I would like to suggest a new slogan for Obamacare:

    Obamacare: Pay More, Eat Less, Lose Weight!

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    That's not what I asked you. Please answer the question I asked.


    But that's not improving Obamacare, that's doing away with it completely and offering to institute their own plan. That's simply not realistic, given the fact Republicans are the minority party in government right now.

    I'd like to see, aside from repeal/defund/delay and the medical device tax (which has support on both sides), what proposals Republicans are offering to improve Obamacare, not replace it.

    Conservative seems unwilling or incapable of providing such information. Maybe you can help me instead. It's a question I genuinely have, as I always like to have the most facts available. What proposals have the Republicans officially offered to improve Obamacare?
    HHS was granted plenty of new power to regulate the insurance market, so its on them to make the improvements, unless you would support yanking that verbiage("the HHS secretary will...."). That's pretty much the only thing that can be changed via law, other than the dates that are hard-coded( the rest are under the HHS jurisdiction)

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    But that's not improving Obamacare, that's doing away with it completely and offering to institute their own plan. That's simply not realistic, given the fact Republicans are the minority party in government right now.

    I'd like to see, aside from repeal/defund/delay and the medical device tax (which has support on both sides), what proposals Republicans are offering to improve Obamacare, not replace it.

    Conservative seems unwilling or incapable of providing such information. Maybe you can help me instead. It's a question I genuinely have, as I always like to have the most facts available. What proposals have the Republicans officially offered to improve Obamacare?

    Well, to be honest about it sly, I don't believe that the repubs believe that keeping the PPACA in place as it exists is workable with changes. And to be fair, why should repubs work to fix a law they didn't agree with, a law they don't want, and a law that their constituents are pleading with them to get rid of? But no, the repubs have not offered "fixes" to Obamacare, and in large part I think a that is due to the toxic relationship between the parties these days that is not helped by either side in this.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I would like to suggest a new slogan for Obamacare:

    Obamacare: Pay More, Eat Less, Lose Weight!
    How about this one:

    "Progressivism - Ideas so good they have to be mandatory!"
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, to be honest about it sly, I don't believe that the repubs believe that keeping the PPACA in place as it exists is workable with changes.
    They certainly have made that their political position, but the problem is until you try, you'll never know. And as long as you are the minority party, you really don't have the power to dictate terms.

    It seems to me Republicans, if they were truly concerned about citizens, would do their best to make the best of what they consider a bad situation.

    And to be fair, why should repubs work to fix a law they didn't agree with, a law they don't want
    Because it's what they are supposed to do? Their job is not to "win", their job is to do what's best for their citizens. Right now, they cannot get rid of Obamacare, they simply do not have the power. So instead of yelling, how about you at least work to improve it? And if the situation changes where Republicans gain power, then you work to repeal it and replace it.

    and a law that their constituents are pleading with them to get rid of?
    There are many sides to this argument. First of all, many of the constituents are not pleading with them to get rid of many of the things Obamacare does, they are pleading with them to get rid of the legislation passed by Democrats which Republicans have spent the last several years criticizing. I think most people, on both sides, agree with the pre-existing condition portion of Obamacare. They like keeping children on insurance until 26. I bet they like knowing if insurance companies don't spend 80% of premiums on medical care, then their customers will get a refund. I suspect the majority of people in this country like all of those things. What many Republican voters don't like is the legislation was passed by Democrats.

    Second of all, you make an excellent point. Representatives are elected to represent the will of the people. But third of all, representatives are also elected to do what's best for the country. What they are doing is clearly not best for the country, even according to their own rhetoric of Obamacare's flaws.

    But no, the repubs have not offered "fixes" to Obamacare, and in large part I think a that is due to the toxic relationship between the parties these days that is not helped by either side in this.
    I agree completely. The problem for Republicans is it's hard to take them seriously about looking out for the best interests of Americans when they seem completely averse to doing anything to better the legislation, which reality says they are stuck with.

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