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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Republicans made 161 amendments to the AHC act. Denial won't help make this work. That is all Republicans should be doing now that it is law.
    How many Republican votes did the final bill get? what is the popularity of that bill today? Support of a bill that less than 45% of the people want isn't a prescription for success.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How many Republican votes did the final bill get? what is the popularity of that bill today? Support of a bill that less than 45% of the people want isn't a prescription for success.
    Hmm so that's how we work now. How many supported the Iraq war and its 5000 American deaths? I believe VP Cheney said "he didn't care about polls" when asked about it.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Hmm so that's how we work now. How many supported the Iraq war and its 5000 American deaths? I believe VP Cheney said "he didn't care about polls" when asked about it.
    76 Senators in a Democrat controlled Senate voted to authorize the Iraq War but what does that have to do with Obamacare? How long are you going to hold on to that tired argument and support the incompetence we have in the WH RIGHT NOW

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    What part of this is difficult for you to understand?
    Absolutely nothing.

    The $640 million was originally reported as the price for one contractor, which I disproved. I used that source to show the $640 million (which is actually $634 million, but whatever) was the TOTAL contract for all services provided and to be provided.
    LOL. Here's what you typed out: "I'll even post information from a source which has absolutely no reason to try and lower the number:CGI Federal announced in 2011 that it had been awarded a $93.7 million contract with the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services" From "a source" not all the sources and "a source" does not mean total cost. But you also even put this in: " a source which has absolutely no reason to try and lower the number". The number being of course $640 million nowhere did CGI say that were the only ones with a contract for this project. Then you even posted an article from the Blaze that said the government did not give them a total cost.

    Why are you struggling so mightily with simple facts? There is no spin, it's a simple fact.
    I'm not. But you keep spinning, twisting, wiggling, squirming.......

    I did not misrepresent or spin anything, as I've now proven multiple times. Either you're incapable of understanding the basic English langauge or you're getting your jollies from accusing me of spin. Either way, it reflects poorly on you.
    Given the difficulty you seem to be having with simple numbers and simple facts, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised you seem to have confused the difference between healthcare and insurance. Oh, and as I said, nobody is forcing you to have insurance. You are welcome to simply pay the tax.
    The fact you think his misrepresentation of my position is representative of me lying is incredibly amusing.

    I'm still waiting for you to provide one example of something I've said to you which is untrue. Your inability to provide even one example is quite telling.
    You're not waiting on anything from me nor have you proven anything except your lack of integrity.
    Your inability to post something accurate is "quite telling", about you.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    You're absolutely right. What they are saying is, at best, misleading because, as you said, you have to register to even browse plans or find out if you qualify for subsidies. As far as those signing up in other states and those signing up belonging to Medicaid, I'd say two things. 1) The Medicaid expansion is part of Obamacare. 2) if people are receiving coverage who previously did not, this should be celebrated, regardless of your political affiliation.

    I agree with you, what's coming out regarding the "successes" is/can be misleading. But it's just part of the game being played by both sides right now. Republicans are using obscure examples of some random person who claims to have been negatively affected and from this are claiming Obamacare is a failure. Democrats are taking those who registered an account and pointing to the high numbers and are claiming success. At the end of the day, both sides are playing the political game because NEITHER party is making a claim which challenges the truth. And the truth is that it doesn't matter how many have signed up or not signed up, everyone WILL have to have coverage or pay the fine/tax.

    That's just the simple fact. You'll either have coverage or you'll pay the fine/tax. Both parties spinning their made up successes and failures are largely irrelevant and is little more than political posturing.

    Good post man...I find nothing in what you wrote that I would change, only slight differences of opinion that for the most part are just talk at the end of the day...
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good post man...I find nothing in what you wrote that I would change, only slight differences of opinion that for the most part are just talk at the end of the day...
    It's too bad so many are so naive to think that this will even BE healthcare... It literally is a nation wide Nigerian email scam. You pay now for the promise of future rewards, those rewards are never going to come... The more invested however, the more the victims of the scam will fight to protect the scammer.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The claim was that the GOP proposed nothing regarding Healthcare Reform
    No, it wasn't. In typical "Conservative" fashion (I'm referring to you, not an entire group of people) you have twisted my words into something they were not.

    Go back and read it again and get back to me. On second thought, don't worry about it, I'll post it for you again. It'll be interesting to watch you dance around the question once more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Now, tell me...aside from getting rid of Obamacare, exactly what improvements have Republicans formally proposed? The medical device tax? Okay, it's something which seems to have support on both sides of the aisle. It will likely be amended. What else have Republicans proposed?
    The link is directly related to healthcare reform
    I did not ask about healthcare reform, I asked about Obamacare. Is it related to Obamacare? Why are you continuing to duck my question?
    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Your inability to post something accurate is "quite telling", about you.
    Everything I've posted has been accurate and sourced. It's not my fault you seem to have difficulty understanding the simple facts I provide.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    It's too bad so many are so naive to think that this will even BE healthcare... It literally is a nation wide Nigerian email scam. You pay now for the promise of future rewards, those rewards are never going to come... The more invested however, the more the victims of the scam will fight to protect the scammer.
    Personally, I think you know that I couldn't disagree more with Obama, or his law controlling 1/6th of the nations economy from a centrally planned perch on high. But a couple of things are clear to me today...1. Obamacare will continue to horrify people as more and more realities of the law are unmasked, and strident supporters will have no choice but to defend the law, putting them in a most defensive position. 2. Republicans in the current make up with control of the house, and establishment repubs in positions of leadership within, willing to roll the members willing to fight, under the bus publicly, we have little chance of changing much until we win more seats. And 3. Most importantly, we know that republicans have put forth several different ways to help fix health insurance, and put the emphasis more on the delivery system, and cost, putting patients and doc's in the center, that demo's won't even let be read aloud. We are going to have to do a better job getting our own plans out there and accepted by the public...

    If there is one thing that Obama, and progressive demo's have done by attempting to take over the Health insurance industry, it is that the progressives have really ripped the top off of the problems that existed, and exposed just how little we were doing about it before this. So, we are going to have to get a whole lot better at message, and talking with the people about what they want, not at the people about what we want to do. If we don't do that, then progressives will continue to beat us like a drum with the constant message of 'vote for us, vote for stuff.'...
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, it wasn't. In typical "Conservative" fashion (I'm referring to you, not an entire group of people) you have twisted my words into something they were not.

    Go back and read it again and get back to me. On second thought, don't worry about it, I'll post it for you again. It'll be interesting to watch you dance around the question once more.




    I did not ask about healthcare reform, I asked about Obamacare. Is it related to Obamacare? Why are you continuing to duck my question?
    Everything I've posted has been accurate and sourced. It's not my fault you seem to have difficulty understanding the simple facts I provide.
    Wow, are you this reading challenged, if Obamacare cannot be repealed then there are ideas in that link that I gave you to improve it. The question is why do you support another Federally controlled entitlement program when all the others are bankrupt or should I say unfunded mandates? Like all social programs they sound great, problem is they never cost what they are supposed to cost and never solve a problem. We have a 17 trillion dollar debt so how does this lower it?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wow, are you this reading challenged
    No, my reading is just fine. Why can you not answer a simple question?

    What has the Republicans officially proposed to improve Obamacare? You can continue to twist words all you want, I just want a simple answer to the question. I'm still waiting. The fact you're still twisting words and won't answer a simple question says a lot.

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