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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you sit down with a Community agitator and Harry Reid who refuse to negotiate?
    Obama refused to negotiate on the part of Congress doing their job. They also refused to accept a budget in which the minority would govern over the majority. They said many times they would be willing to sit down and listen to the improvements (not repeal, but improvements) Republicans would suggest, but only after Congress did its job for paying for what it's already spent.

    Now, tell me...aside from getting rid of Obamacare, exactly what improvements have Republicans formally proposed? The medical device tax? Okay, it's something which seems to have support on both sides of the aisle. It will likely be amended. What else have Republicans proposed?

    What healthcare idea was taken from the Republicans?
    As already mentioned, Obama (and Democrats) wanted the single-payer system. What they did instead was take something very similar to what the Republican based Heritage Foundation proposed and was implemented by Republican Mitt Romney. Our current system was proposed as a compromise.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Nonsense. If people are being dropped because they had insurance which exceeded the minimum required by Obamacare, that is not the fault of Obamacare. That was the point. Only the people who had insurance which did not meet the minimum standards under Obamacare would be effected, and that will usually apply to those who had what's commonly known as catastrophic insurance.

    Leave it to you to try and claim I said something wrong which was not wrong. Oh, and I didn't post that in response to you, I posted it in response to the user Grant.

    So not only did you claim I said something wrong which wasn't, you also couldn't provide a single example of where I posted something to you which was untrue. At this point, my point is proven.

    I suspect you don't even understand what a fallacy is.
    See what you did here?? You made a self- refuting statement and use that as though they were both true to make your point and both false to disprove your opposition, simultaneously, and seem to be doing so with a straight face.

    Then you claim I must not know a fallacy... This is such a joke of a fallacy that you must think you can perform the Jedi mind-trick...

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    See what you did here?? You made a self- refuting statement
    No, I did not. I'm beginning to think you're not actually reading what I'm typing, but rather what you want to believe I'm typing.

    So, once more...do you have a single example of me saying something to you which is not true?

    Then you claim I must not know a fallacy
    And you've said nothing since which makes me think otherwise.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Obama refused to negotiate on the part of Congress doing their job. They also refused to accept a budget in which the minority would govern over the majority. They said many times they would be willing to sit down and listen to the improvements (not repeal, but improvements) Republicans would suggest, but only after Congress did its job for paying for what it's already spent.

    Now, tell me...aside from getting rid of Obamacare, exactly what improvements have Republicans formally proposed? The medical device tax? Okay, it's something which seems to have support on both sides of the aisle. It will likely be amended. What else have Republicans proposed?

    As already mentioned, Obama (and Democrats) wanted the single-payer system. What they did instead was take something very similar to what the Republican based Heritage Foundation proposed and was implemented by Republican Mitt Romney. Our current system was proposed as a compromise.
    Leadership is all about negotiation, something neither your or Obama understand. Congress did its job, started with defunding and then delay but Obama and Reid prefer to be dictators. Funny how a minority in the "Peoples' House" doesn't mean anything to some people

    I have posted the Republican ideas, you ignored them.

    Keep spouting the debunked lie about the Heritage Foundation which continues to erode what little credibility you have

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Leadership is all about negotiation, something neither your or Obama understand. Congress did its job, started with defunding and then delay but Obama and Reid prefer to be dictators.
    I'm sorry, but I could have swore you just insinuated "Congress" is only the House of Representatives. I'm quite certain the Senate is part of Congress as well, and the Senate agreed to essentially everything presented by the House, minus the Obamacare repeal/delay.

    I have posted the Republican ideas, you ignored them.
    I asked you what Republicans proposed to amend Obamacare. You provided what I assume to be something not related to Obamacare.

    Was the link you posted directly related to Obamacare? If so, I'll look at it again. If not, my question remains.

    Keep spouting the debunked lie about the Heritage Foundation which continues to erode what little credibility you have
    I'm very curious as to how the truth can be debunked. Is Obamacare word for word what was proposed by the Heritage Foundation? No, I'm not saying it is. But much of it is inspired from it, including the individual mandate.

    Like I said, Obamacare was the compromise between what Republicans have championed and what Democrats have championed.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Slyfox696;1062477821]I'm sorry, but I could have swore you just insinuated "Congress" is only the House of Representatives. I'm quite certain the Senate is part of Congress as well, and the Senate agreed to essentially everything presented by the House, minus the Obamacare repeal/delay.
    No such insinuation but you wouldn't know it from the media or people like you. The Founders knew what they were doing, putting power of the purse closest to the people which is the House

    I asked you what Republicans proposed to amend Obamacare. You provided what I assume to be something not related to Obamacare.
    This is at least the fourth time today I have posted this. Seems you have selective reading capabilities.

    The American Health Care Reform Act | Republican Study Committee (RSC)


    I'm very curious as to how the truth can be debunked. Is Obamacare word for word what was proposed by the Heritage Foundation? No, I'm not saying it is. But much of it is inspired from it, including the individual mandate.

    Like I said, Obamacare was the compromise between what Republicans have championed and what Democrats have championed.
    Another link that you ignored, J-mac posted it and the exact quote in it, you need to do a better job reading the posts here. There was no compromise or did you miss the closed door negotiations of the Democrat caucus? Did you miss the hearings that Obama had with Republicans where he told McCain that elections have consequences and that he had won and McCain has lost. Maybe you were too young to pay any attention but the question is why aren't you doing better research?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm sorry, but I could have swore you just insinuated "Congress" is only the House of Representatives. I'm quite certain the Senate is part of Congress as well, and the Senate agreed to essentially everything presented by the House, minus the Obamacare repeal/delay.

    I asked you what Republicans proposed to amend Obamacare. You provided what I assume to be something not related to Obamacare.

    Was the link you posted directly related to Obamacare? If so, I'll look at it again. If not, my question remains.

    I'm very curious as to how the truth can be debunked. Is Obamacare word for word what was proposed by the Heritage Foundation? No, I'm not saying it is. But much of it is inspired from it, including the individual mandate.

    Like I said, Obamacare was the compromise between what Republicans have championed and what Democrats have championed.
    Post 277 will answer your question and debunk your claim

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No such insinuation
    My mistake. So when you said "Congress did its job", you must have meant Congress did its job and passed Obamacare and then did its job to find a deal which re-opened the government (after it didn't do its job and government shut down). Correct?

    This is at least the fourth time today I have posted this. Seems you have selective reading capabilities.

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    No, I saw your link before. Now answer MY question.

    "Was the link you posted directly related to Obamacare? If so, I'll look at it again. If not, my question remains."

    Answer my question. Is the link you posted, which I already acknowledged, related to Obamacare? If so, I'll look over it again. If not, then I come back to my original question, which is what have Republicans proposed to tweak Obamacare, aside from the things I've already mentioned.

    Another link that you ignored, J-mac posted it and the exact quote in it, you need to do a better job reading the posts here.
    No, I read his post too, regarding the Heritage Foundation and the individual mandate. Now respond to MY post, which in no way contradicts his post.

    There was no compromise
    Obamacare was presented as a compromise between the single payer system Democrats wanted to something more akin to something Republicans have promoted.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    My mistake. So when you said "Congress did its job", you must have meant Congress did its job and passed Obamacare and then did its job to find a deal which re-opened the government (after it didn't do its job and government shut down). Correct?

    No, I saw your link before. Now answer MY question.

    "Was the link you posted directly related to Obamacare? If so, I'll look at it again. If not, my question remains."

    Answer my question. Is the link you posted, which I already acknowledged, related to Obamacare? If so, I'll look over it again. If not, then I come back to my original question, which is what have Republicans proposed to tweak Obamacare, aside from the things I've already mentioned.

    No, I read his post too, regarding the Heritage Foundation and the individual mandate. Now respond to MY post, which in no way contradicts his post.

    Obamacare was presented as a compromise between the single payer system Democrats wanted to something more akin to something Republicans have promoted.
    The claim was that the GOP proposed nothing regarding Healthcare Reform but that proves the claims wrong. The link is directly related to healthcare reform and something the Democrats wouldn't negotiate and more than 50% do not want

    If you read the report then you missed this

    Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids)

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you sit down with a Community agitator and Harry Reid who refuse to negotiate? What healthcare idea was taken from the Republicans? Here is a proposal that you haven't seen. Analyze it and tell me that there aren't good ideas in there.

    The American Health Care Reform Act | Republican Study Committee (RSC)
    Republicans made 161 amendments to the AHC act. Denial won't help make this work. That is all Republicans should be doing now that it is law.

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