"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
A market-based web site that will fine you, with the support of the politically biased IRS, if you don't use it?They'd also know the Obamacare website is simply a web-based market for people to browse various insurance plans. They'd know the required sign-up is so the government knows if you're eligible for a subsidy.
It's owed to yourselves and that means what? It still has to be paid, and where do you think that money is going to come from? Foreign lenders are now backing off and the government will continue to print money in order to meet expenses, leading to inflation. This sort of naivety from the American people is a huge problem for the future of the United States.A non-extremist would also know a large part of the $17t in debt is owed to ourselves, that a debt has nothing to do with how well an entity can run a particular subject and that a website is nothing like a border.
If you want to debate honestly you would...I don't have to provide the specific correct number, just had to show the original number was wrong, which I've done.
There's plenty that you've said that was untrue... BUT, since those falsehoods get published as fact you would be able to justify your points.You still cannot provide a single thing I've said which is untrue. Go ahead, find one thing I've said in my last three posts which is untrue.
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true...
1. "Backpedaling aside, what would happen to eliminating pre-existing conditions without the mandate?" - Well, if you eliminated the pre existing condition mandate, along with the mandate to buy insurance, then we'd be at the starting gate again....However, I think I know what you were saying in that you think that a delay would be delaying the provision that insurance companies must cover pre existing conditions that have already been in place for some time now, and I think everyone likes. The problem you have is that Obama promised that insurance rates would save the average family $2500., but in turn have actually encountered a $10K swing according to the CBO, to wind up costing the average family $7500 more.
2. "Doesn't Romneycare in Mass. have a similar mandate?" - Possibly, but MassCare is running into some of the predictable problems that we are talking about such as longer wait times to see docs, shortage of docs, not to mention some of the highest premiums in the country (to the best of my knowledge)....
3. "Where was the Republican opposition to Romneycare?" - Well there was plenty of that, but the bottom line is that Romney was the Governor of a state, and outside opposition makes no difference in that this is where things like this are supposed to be done. That is how the country was set up...Also, it leaves an "out option" for the citizens of that state. For instance, I lived in Maryland for 20 years, raised my kids there, and loved the area we lived. But Maryland was getting so onerous under the Governorship of democrats like Martin O'Malley that it no longer made sense to continue to live there, so we moved to a state with lower taxation, lower pricing, and a better fit for us. IOW, we were able to "escape" the "perceived tyranny" if we wanted to, where do I go to escape the "tyranny" of a Federal system? You can't. And that is the definition of "tyranny".
Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville
People are being dropped from previous insurance plans for many reasons. The only people who are truly affected are those who had what amounted to catastrophic insurance coverage. Most other people who are being dropped are being dropped for various reasons.which is why so many people are being dropped from previous insurance plans.
And yet, he went with a plan mostly promoted by Republicans and implemented by Governor Romney, and yet Republicans still claim there's never been a compromise. I find that fascinating.Even doctors are abandoning Obamacare. Barrack Obama has made no secret of the fact that he wants a single payer system and this is the start.
Sorry, I realize it was a little off-topic, it just amazes me. We'll get back on topic. And there are many doctors who support Obamacare as well, just like there are those who don't support it.
I've never used it and I will not be fined. In fact, most people won't use it and won't be fined because they'll continue getting coverage under their employer's plan.A market-based web site that will fine you, with the support of the politically biased IRS, if you don't use it?
It means the debt is not nearly as crushing as people want to pretend it is. For example, $2.7+ trillion is owed to the Social Security Trust Fund, because under law, the government was required to spend that money so it would not fall victim to inflation. The government spends the money and then basically writes itself an IOU.It's owed to yourselves and that means what?
This means several things. First of all, the Social Security Trust Fund has nothing to do with Social Security payments. The Trust Fund, as you may know, is the OVER-payments the citizenry has paid to the government in Social Security taxes. While this would never happen, for many reasons, on a very simple level, the government could say "we're not paying back the money to the Trust Fund". This would have virtually no impact on Social Security payments and would immediately lop off nearly $3 trillion of the debt.
And this sort of thing happens in many different areas. What it also means is that we'll never be able to "pay off" that debt, because the money we put back into the Social Security Trust Fund (for example) would come right back out because of law.
So, like I said, it's not nearly as big of a deal as people like to pretend it is.
Using my previous example, the Social Security Trust Fund debt will not have to be paid until current taxes from those working is not enough to cover the benefits of those retired. When that day comes, the money will come from either a reduction in benefits, higher taxes or (and most likely) savings from other areas of government expense.It still has to be paid, and where do you think that money is going to come from?
Our national debt will never come due all at once.
Given the number of times political extremism has led to a near default on debt payments, I don't blame them.Foreign lenders are now backing off
Inflation is going to happen and I think everyone recognizes you don't want deflation. But since we are the world leader and our currency is essentially the standard throughout the world, we have a lot of leverage other countries do not.and the government will continue to print money in order to meet expenses, leading to inflation.
Then why have you not presented a single example? Present one example of what I've said to you in my last four posts of not being true.There's plenty that you've said that was untrue
Likewise with your comments on having 50 sovereign states. I see no reason why that's not invalid too.
I certainly don't ignore waste and fraud, I comment on it frequently on this forum as regards to your health care system. Canada is doing it better in health care for roughly half as much money as your country is currently doing it, per capita. Again, your objections to my post appear to be invalid.
If your Medicare and SS are being abused then it's likely due to problems in your system of administering those programs. What isn't in doubt is that they are both very necessary in a first world society. We don't consider our SS or equivalent of your Medicare to be abused in such an egregious manner as you appear to be saying yours is. That could be due to either your exaggerating or once again due to poor management of your social programs.
I consider the obvious dysfunction in your government largely due to your GOP party's obstructionist policy since Obama took office. That is especially noticeable with the outrageous waste which was brought on by Cruz and the teabaggers just recently. And I never do see any constructive criticism of Obama which could lead to him compromising in his approach to governing. I just see negativism and racist generated hate toward him.
In truth, I would see the US adopting a form of socially responsible capitalism that would be similar to all other successful first world countries. That alone could elevate your country out of the current crisis it is suffering. And that kind of change is undoubtedly the kind of change Obama is attempting to bring about. You only need to come to an understanding that socially responsible government is not socialism. Canada is living proof of that with our brand of capitalism that works.
There are no other answers for your problems and there are no easy answers. I would suggest that you 'will' change in due course and it will either be willingly under a conservative government and president or a more liberal one. And if it's not willingly then it will be kicking and screaming. There's just no other recipe for survival in this 21st. century. There no longer is enough to go around while supporting the old American way anymore.