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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And cheaper.
    I wouldn't say cheaper. The gas we have made in Syria is quite .................. Oh, I'm not supposed to say how Canada's death panels do the job.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What the hell is the matter with you?
    I think I'm a commie but that shouldn't make any difference. As for the talk about death panels, I've never seen them at work but I've heard Sarah Palin talk about them and she must have. Besides, people go missing in Canada at times and there's no other explanation. They obviously don't get shot dead with guns!

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I say, if they delay the fine and the individual mandate, the actuaries at insurance companies are going to go into cardiac arrest.
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    Ironic that Republicans have been striving to make this happen.
    Yep, and as folks have been 'conditioned' since PPACA passage to expect something this merely eases the paving of the single payer pathway...going back to pre-PPACA will be unacceptable to these folks...WTF was the GOP thinking?
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My political leanings in this particular case is irrelevant. Just because I agree with repubs more than I agree with liberals shouldn't be a particularly surprising thing to you.
    It's not when you agree with them more, it's when you cheerlead for them as you did here.

    And you are correct, the "throw the bums out!" attitude could very well strike at repubs in the house and senate as well, but IMHO, this relatively minor flap is NOTHING compared to the anger that is going to steadily build this next year as the elections come up, with Obamacare being felt more and more, and failing, coupled with the arrogance of the administration that has always been there, with NO accountability for their foul ups...

    Remember, it isn't just this....It's

    Obamacare
    Benghazi
    IRS scandal
    NSA spying on American's
    etc.

    How long can the corruption of this administration, and its useful tools out there continue to ignore these things before people just say, 'it's too much!'????
    Benghazi doesn't really bother me and the NSA spying would happen no matter which party controlled what. I think people are waiting for a decent alternative, and when you look at what's unpopular - Obamacare and the NSA - Romney didn't really offer an alternative. Most people could easily see he was full of crap when it came to repeal of Obamacare because everybody knew it was in many ways the same as Romneycare. The only people who really believed that were the diehards on either side.


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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

    This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

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    I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

    What say you?
    I don't think you realize how much the shut down has hurt the Republican party and their hopes of gaining seats in the senate next year, at least for the time being. Prior to the shut down, it looked like a lock the GOP would pick up Democratic held seats in Montana, West Virginia and South Dakota along with have at least a 50-50 shot or a bit better in Alaska, Louisiana, Arkansas and a slightly less than 50-50 in North Carolina. That was 7 seats, enough for the Republicans to gain control of the senate. Now a few days after the shut down ended, South Dakota still looks like a pickup, Montana and West Virginia not so much, perhaps toss ups, Arkansas, Louisiana and Alaska has moved more into the Democratic hold category and North Carolina like the the Democrat Hagan will win and keep her seat. If this wasn't bad enough, Kentucky and Georgia might actually flip from Republican to Democrat. Could 2014 be a case like 2012 where it looked like the republicans would gain 5 or 6 seats at the beginning of the year only to lose two.

    Look at what happened to the ACA you tried to do away with, prior to the shut down there was a 14-19 point gap advantage of against to favor the new law depending on which poll you were looking at. After the shutdown, that gap narrowed, there is is an advantage of against to favor, but now it is down to between 4-10 points. ACA now looks better to quite a lot of more people than it did prior to the shut down. It did the ACA a huge favor.

    Then there is party affiliation/identification, prior to the shutdown 30% identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats, after both numbers dropped, but the Republicans at at 20% of the electorate and the Democrats at 30%.. Even though the Democrats also dropped, the gap between the parties rose from 5 points to 10 points. That is an awful high mountain to climb just to get back to where you were.

    Lucky for you, the election is still a year away, time to heal wounds and regain some prestige. The question is, will you?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not when you agree with them more, it's when you cheerlead for them as you did here.
    Well, sorry that you don't like it when someone agrees with something you don't....Not my problem.

    Benghazi doesn't really bother me and the NSA spying would happen no matter which party controlled what. I think people are waiting for a decent alternative, and when you look at what's unpopular - Obamacare and the NSA - Romney didn't really offer an alternative. Most people could easily see he was full of crap when it came to repeal of Obamacare because everybody knew it was in many ways the same as Romneycare. The only people who really believed that were the diehards on either side.
    And that is actually a good point....I think people are realizing, waking up if you will, that "progressivism" exists on BOTH sides of the isle, and it has to go if we are going to survive as a nation that regards individual freedom as sacrosanct.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't think you realize how much the shut down has hurt the Republican party and their hopes of gaining seats in the senate next year, at least for the time being. Prior to the shut down, it looked like a lock the GOP would pick up Democratic held seats in Montana, West Virginia and South Dakota along with have at least a 50-50 shot or a bit better in Alaska, Louisiana, Arkansas and a slightly less than 50-50 in North Carolina. That was 7 seats, enough for the Republicans to gain control of the senate. Now a few days after the shut down ended, South Dakota still looks like a pickup, Montana and West Virginia not so much, perhaps toss ups, Arkansas, Louisiana and Alaska has moved more into the Democratic hold category and North Carolina like the the Democrat Hagan will win and keep her seat. If this wasn't bad enough, Kentucky and Georgia might actually flip from Republican to Democrat. Could 2014 be a case like 2012 where it looked like the republicans would gain 5 or 6 seats at the beginning of the year only to lose two.

    Look at what happened to the ACA you tried to do away with, prior to the shut down there was a 14-19 point gap advantage of against to favor the new law depending on which poll you were looking at. After the shutdown, that gap narrowed, there is is an advantage of against to favor, but now it is down to between 4-10 points. ACA now looks better to quite a lot of more people than it did prior to the shut down. It did the ACA a huge favor.

    Then there is party affiliation/identification, prior to the shutdown 30% identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats, after both numbers dropped, but the Republicans at at 20% of the electorate and the Democrats at 30%.. Even though the Democrats also dropped, the gap between the parties rose from 5 points to 10 points. That is an awful high mountain to climb just to get back to where you were.

    Lucky for you, the election is still a year away, time to heal wounds and regain some prestige. The question is, will you?
    Well, if you are asking if repubs will allow establishment progressives to take the narrative, led by the nose by the likes of Schumer, and Reid, and allow the MSM to control the message like they obviously have with your summary here, no offense. Then I sure as hell hope not...Our future depends on it.

    We have a long time before Nov. of next year, a lot can, and will happen. Let's talk in summer, is that fair?
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not when you agree with them more, it's when you cheerlead for them as you did here.



    Benghazi doesn't really bother me and the NSA spying would happen no matter which party controlled what. I think people are waiting for a decent alternative, and when you look at what's unpopular - Obamacare and the NSA - Romney didn't really offer an alternative. Most people could easily see he was full of crap when it came to repeal of Obamacare because everybody knew it was in many ways the same as Romneycare. The only people who really believed that were the diehards on either side.
    Yep, down here in Georgia there was definitely a lack of enthusiasm for Romney among the Georgia republicans. In the end they voted for him only because he wasn't Obama. Any Tom, Dick or Harry would have done. The problem last year for the GOP, is that produced an extremely weak field of candidates to challenge a vulnerable sitting president. Romney was probably the best of that weak field but still the wrong candidate to unseat a sitting president. It was a pipe dream from the beginning and the fact Romney came as close as he did at least in the popular vote, only shows how vulnerable Obama was.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't think you realize how much the shut down has hurt the Republican party and their hopes of gaining seats in the senate next year, at least for the time being. Prior to the shut down, it looked like a lock the GOP would pick up Democratic held seats in Montana, West Virginia and South Dakota along with have at least a 50-50 shot or a bit better in Alaska, Louisiana, Arkansas and a slightly less than 50-50 in North Carolina. That was 7 seats, enough for the Republicans to gain control of the senate. Now a few days after the shut down ended, South Dakota still looks like a pickup, Montana and West Virginia not so much, perhaps toss ups, Arkansas, Louisiana and Alaska has moved more into the Democratic hold category and North Carolina like the the Democrat Hagan will win and keep her seat. If this wasn't bad enough, Kentucky and Georgia might actually flip from Republican to Democrat. Could 2014 be a case like 2012 where it looked like the republicans would gain 5 or 6 seats at the beginning of the year only to lose two.

    Look at what happened to the ACA you tried to do away with, prior to the shut down there was a 14-19 point gap advantage of against to favor the new law depending on which poll you were looking at. After the shutdown, that gap narrowed, there is is an advantage of against to favor, but now it is down to between 4-10 points. ACA now looks better to quite a lot of more people than it did prior to the shut down. It did the ACA a huge favor.

    Then there is party affiliation/identification, prior to the shutdown 30% identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats, after both numbers dropped, but the Republicans at at 20% of the electorate and the Democrats at 30%.. Even though the Democrats also dropped, the gap between the parties rose from 5 points to 10 points. That is an awful high mountain to climb just to get back to where you were.

    Lucky for you, the election is still a year away, time to heal wounds and regain some prestige. The question is, will you?
    And that's why the best thing that could happen for Obama and the Dems is that Cruz tries his lame stunt again. There's little doubt which way it will go and who will be blamed the next time. Not to mention that Obamacare becomes more popular as time goes on and more people are benefitting.

    Ignorant stupid bagger racists such as Cruz know no bounds of sanity.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if you are asking if repubs will allow establishment progressives to take the narrative, led by the nose by the likes of Schumer, and Reid, and allow the MSM to control the message like they obviously have with your summary here, no offense. Then I sure as hell hope not...Our future depends on it.

    We have a long time before Nov. of next year, a lot can, and will happen. Let's talk in summer, is that fair?
    Absolutely it is fair. I am one who believes the shut down come next year will be ancient history and have said so in numerous posts. what I described was for today as none of us know what tomorrow will bring. I don't listen to MSM, I go and get my information off the internet delving into polls for the fine print. Yes, absolutely fair.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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