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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm tired of my health insurance reflecting the cost of rightist--winger scofflaws not having health insurance..
    this is nothing more than your usual meaningless dribble. Come back when you can at least manage to regurgitating something worth responding to.

    PS and you're likely supporting a "right-wing" program as you type, or has the reality that the ACA is center-right policy meant to conserve current market interests escaped you?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    this is nothing more than your usual meaningless dribble. Come back when you can at least manage to regurgitating something worth responding to.

    PS and you're likely supporting a "right-wing" program as you type, or has the reality that the ACA is center-right policy meant to conserve current market interests escaped you?
    Yeah, Obama loves the free market like Lenny loved rabbits.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, Obama loves the free market like Lenny loved rabbits.
    center-right policy meant to conserve current market interests
    apparently understanding what you read isn't an art you have currently mastered

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Judge Jeanine B slaps the Obama administration on lack of accountability......awesome. Couldn't have said it better myself. Woooooo Hoooooo!!!!!

    Judge Jeanine on the Obamacare website debacle - YouTube

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, that doesn't even make sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I'm just taking what you've said.

    Congratulations, you are a liberal.
    I'm not, but you don't strike me as someone too concerned with truth.
    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ever heard of investigations?? Well, we should have one to see who is responsible and to what extent..
    I agree. But since I'm not doing that investigation, how would I know who to fire? And the House is already doing investigations, that's why they had hearings last week.

    See how that works now?

    So what that the600 mill was wrong, though you have yet to correct that number???
    I don't have to provide the specific correct number, just had to show the original number was wrong, which I've done.

    The only thing I have to take back is calling you a liar, because I would have to prove that you knew your statements were false, its more likely that you just bought into the lies of others. Here's to hoping you begin to see a few extra inches past the tip of your nose.
    You still cannot provide a single thing I've said which is untrue. Go ahead, find one thing I've said in my last three posts which is untrue.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, I provided an example of how the total cost was not $640 million for the website on the first day it opened. The fact you're trying to twist words shows you know have a losing position.
    There was at least four contractors working on that total failure of a web site. You showed what one was paid. There is at least three more tabs from contractors plus however many millions the government spend on it. You lost when you tried to use your typical spin.

    Cute.
    Yes, and you do spin nearly everything.

    The right idea is to not have the government do its job, put thousands of people in an uncertain position with their job, cause billions of dollars of damage to the economy, put us at risk for a credit downgrade and possibly trigger a worldwide economic collapse?

    Wow, if you think that's the right thing to do, then I hope you never become a politician.
    The constitution does not require the government to implement Obamadon'tcare. But Obamadon'tcare has already cost people their jobs, reduced peoples hours and prevented many others from finding work. What Sen Cruz did not put us at risk of any credit downgrade. Our national debt and the Sec of the Treasury implying he might not pay the bills even though the treasury had enough to pay them, put us at risk for a credit downgrade. Add Obama and the Sen Dems not passing one of the bills sent forward by the house to creating some of that risk.
    One more thing. Next time you get a chance, talk to Sen Reid about doing his job instead of preventing the Senate from doing theirs.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    All Republican proposals including the one from the Heritage Foundation had an individual mandate, citing "personal responsibility" as the reason. Dems are the ones that opposed because it would hurt the poor. What happened to personal responsibility? Is it no longer a Right wing issue? Or is it how it seems....
    This is an insidious little lie that persists through out this debate, that must be understood more clearly. As I have posted before, an article in Forbes outlines it rather well here,

    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

    This explanation from Heritage, though not totally convincing, effectively changed its opinion on whether or not the 'individual mandate' in a totally comprehensive package like O-care is what they had in mind when writing the book that pondered it in the first place, and we see here,

    "If citations to policy papers were subject to the same rules as legal citations, then the Heritage position quoted by the Department of Justice would have a red flag indicating it had been reversed. . . . Heritage has stopped supporting any insurance mandate.

    Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA."

    So, to continually justify this law, as something that republicans endorsed, as it is written in this law, is disingenuous at best, and an outright lie at its most likely.

    So, I think it would be more useful in any debate on this to cut through the lies, and distortions, and get to the truth don't you?
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is an insidious little lie that persists through out this debate, that must be understood more clearly. As I have posted before, an article in Forbes outlines it rather well here,

    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

    This explanation from Heritage, though not totally convincing, effectively changed its opinion on whether or not the 'individual mandate' in a totally comprehensive package like O-care is what they had in mind when writing the book that pondered it in the first place, and we see here,

    "If citations to policy papers were subject to the same rules as legal citations, then the Heritage position quoted by the Department of Justice would have a red flag indicating it had been reversed. . . . Heritage has stopped supporting any insurance mandate.

    Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA."

    So, to continually justify this law, as something that republicans endorsed, as it is written in this law, is disingenuous at best, and an outright lie at its most likely.

    So, I think it would be more useful in any debate on this to cut through the lies, and distortions, and get to the truth don't you?
    Backpedaling aside, what would happen to eliminating pre-existing conditions without the mandate? Doesn't Romneycare in Mass. have a similar mandate? Where was the Republican opposition to Romneycare?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    There was at least four contractors working on that total failure of a web site. You showed what one was paid. There is at least three more tabs from contractors plus however many millions the government spend on it. You lost when you tried to use your typical spin.

    And the $640 million number was what was reported for the one contractor. The only spin here is you trying to spin the number as presented for all contractors, not just the one, which it was originally reported to be.

    The exact cost to build Healthcare.gov, according to U.S. government records, appears to have been $634,320,919, which we paid to a company you probably never heard of: CGI Federal.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20131008...-website-cost/

    I find it amusing you keep projecting your own actions of spin onto me, when all I'm doing is simply speaking the truth. I really wish you'd drop the politics in your posting and just start speaking facts.

    One more thing. Next time you get a chance, talk to Sen Reid about doing his job instead of preventing the Senate from doing theirs.
    I have never spoken to Reid, so I'm not sure why you think I would talk to him.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Backpedaling aside, what would happen to eliminating pre-existing conditions without the mandate? Doesn't Romneycare in Mass. have a similar mandate? Where was the Republican opposition to Romneycare?
    Unlike you who seems to promote a massive central govt. Conservatives and Republicans believe in states' rights and that healthcare should reside in the states. You have yet to offer any reason for the Federal Govt. to do it.

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