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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Nah, it's because you're giddy over the problems. Nobody, not even Obama knew there would be problems. Nobody but Max Baucus knew. He was the only-est one. And the software engineers. They knew. And Sebelius. And the insurance providers. But other than that, nobody knew.
    Oh you are so wrong. I am not giddy about the problem. I WANTED this to go into full effect. I believe the GOP screwed themselves over by not INSISTING that it be FULLY implemented, including the business mandate. The sooner the better.

    As for the rest of it...yeah...I see what you did there...

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I don't feel so alone any more! You can't imagine my relief!
    There's security in numbers. You are part of a vast group who didn't know what they didn't know until somebody (bless his or her heart) told them they didn't know. So now you know all that you don't. It's all a part of the Baseline Budget Theory extension that determines that if you spent too much last year on this or that program, you'll only spend 4% more this year than last in an austerity effort. Makes perfect sense.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh you are so wrong. I am not giddy about the problem. I WANTED this to go into full effect. I believe the GOP screwed themselves over by not INSISTING that it be FULLY implemented, including the business mandate. The sooner the better.

    As for the rest of it...yeah...I see what you did there...
    I was kidding. Anybody who couldn't see this train wreck coming is willfully blind. I also agree that the GOP should've let the thing go without objection. In fact, in order to help things along with the rollout, I would insist that the penalties be applied for this year's taxes just to help with the solvency issue.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    I've read it was $640 million for this disaster web site the Dems built and wasted the taxpayers money on.
    Again, I have to say, how long will the left and buddies accept this excuse from the president??? Oh, I didn't know. I just read about it in the paper. Uh, the dog ate my homework. I mean, there seems to be no bounds on the level of incompetence that they will accept from this no nothing president.

    Especially when it is beyond believability that they just threw the switch on 10/1 and were expecting everything to work. Please, please, please, tell me that you are not falling for that one. You need to be institutionalized if you are that dysfunctional.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Why Obamacare is a fantastic success

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, you are treading dangerously close to being one
    Only if you consider "the left" to have a strangehold on facts and logic.

    Example... there was almost no chance of us defaulting on our debt, unless Obama took action to do so. I'm sure you've heard bye now that the debt requires around $20 billion a month, compared to $220 billion coming in. Use your common sense.
    My common sense says A) this comment is completely off-topic and B) you listen to way too much conservative media.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. You really need to consider a different spin because the one you are trying, has fallen flat on it's face. Or just fess up and say what is obvious to everyone except hard core Dems, Cruz was right.
    It never ceases to amaze me how the diehard Republicans consider facts to be spin.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its ever and always the way with people like you. We see it right here on this site. Conservatives disagree with Obama policies and people like you rage on that it is only because they are partisan
    Because Republicans have proven it is. It doesn't matter what the issue, it doesn't matter if Republicans have to change their position on the issue, if Obama supports it, Republicans will be against it. Why? It's either because their stupid or because they are appealing to an electorate which wants them to oppose the Democrat. Either way, it doesn't shine well on Republicans.

    But when the liberals on this site disagree with Obama...well...that is because it is a well thought out and conscious 'honest' disagreement.
    But the Democrats are not disagreeing with Obama. In fact, Obama just today announced they would delay the enforcement.

    How someone can sit there and not see the difference between arguing for a delay as part of their long-known plan to get rid of Obamacare versus a very new development to delay the enforcement because of a malfunctioning website is beyond me. The only way it's possible for you to not see the difference is if you're playing team politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is correct.

    Building a website like this is kindergarten for IT folks.
    Oh really? Do explain how you know this.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    I've read it was $640 million for this disaster web site the Dems built and wasted the taxpayers money on.
    You read a number which was deliberately misleading. If you do more research, you'll see that $640 million is the amount of money this group made for contracted work over many years, not just on this web site.

    Now, I suspect you'll deny it, because you don't strike me as the person who will let facts get in the way of a good partisan attack, but the figures are out there if you'd like. I'll even post information from a source which has absolutely no reason to try and lower the number:

    CGI Federal announced in 2011 that it had been awarded a $93.7 million contract with the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services to build the federal health insurance exchange, healthcare.gov, which formally launched on Oct. 1, 2013.

    Digital Trends called the $93.7 million estimate a “chunk of change, but nothing near where it
    apparently ended up.”
    But an official at CGI told TheBlaze those saying the federal heath insurance exchange cost $634 million are incorrect. The official said this figure includes all of the company’s contracts for a Health and Human Services Department program over the last seven years, covering 114 transactions. The cost of building healthcare.gov was issued under this contract.
    Rumor Check: Obamacare Website Might Be Glitchy, But It Didn’t Cost $634 Million | TheBlaze.com

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There is literally no way that we will be able to collect enough taxes to cover Medicare as it is currently structured. Under no tax structure in the history of the United States of America have we ever managed to collect the kinds of taxes that would allow Medicare at its' current structure to survive the 2020s. Expanding Medicare under any tax structure with any rates in the manner that you are describing will only collapse the system immediately instead of in the future.

    And not that far in the future, either. Those comments about the 2020s are assuming that Congress basically eventually caves on funding the ACA over Medicare.

    Medicare Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2024. Unless You Discount The ACA's Double-Counting. Then It Goes Broke in 2016.



    Higher deductibles will absolutely re-introduce cost sensitivity and have the effect of putting downward pressure on prices.

    Problem: Higher Deductibles are "mean", and "some care should be 'free'". Telling people that they need to suck up the cost of their healthcare when the political rewards go to the folks who promise free preventative, free birth control, free for the old, free for the poor, free for the young, is going to be a losing proposition.

    But if we were to put America on a high-deductible, catastrophic care only market, that would indeed go far towards reducing the prices we pay for healthcare. It's just that (at current) the government cannot afford to do that itself.



    I goofed this - the 64 figure in my head was the combined unfunded liability for our entitlements, not Medicare.

    Medicare's Unfunded Liability, as of April 2012, was $38.6 Trillion. And, (again) is currently scheduled to go broke in either three or eleven years, depending on whether or not we keep the ACA as it is currently structured.



    That is precisely what I am saying - unless we are willing to basically tell old people who cannot afford care to go home and die, we aren't going to be able to expand Medicare as you envision. We aren't willing to do that (old people vote).



    Yeah. Paul Ryan suggested something like that, and Mitt Romney ran on it. How'd that go over?



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    Canada does it all very nicely and so do other first world countries. But you're probably right abou the US continuing to do it the way it has. The US wastes nearly as much as it spends on health care and it can't even do it for all the people. Canada does it for roughly half as much per capita.

    Your problem is that you have a bunch of teabaggers who are too involved with racist hate for your president to even consider how it can be done correctly and cost efficiently. If they stopped frothing at the mouth with their rabid hate for a while your government could start to bring it's fiscal house in order again.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Canada does it all very nicely and so do other first world countries. But you're probably right abou the US continuing to do it the way it has. The US wastes nearly as much as it spends on health care and it can't even do it for all the people. Canada does it for roughly half as much per capita.

    Your problem is that you have a bunch of teabaggers who are too involved with racist hate for your president to even consider how it can be done correctly and cost efficiently. If they stopped frothing at the mouth with their rabid hate for a while your government could start to bring it's fiscal house in order again.
    Canada has 35 million people and this country has 310 million. It also has 50 sovereign states. It is amazing how people like you ignore the waste, fraud, and abuse in Medicare and SS and then promote ACA which is another entitlement program that is based upon lies.

    I don't know what it is about people like you who ignore the incompetence of this Administration simply because you buy the ideology. Failure is failure regardless of the ideology. How anyone can say that an Administration that has added 6.4 trillion to the debt is bringing its fiscal house in order is simply liberalism at its worst

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Only if you consider "the left" to have a strangehold on facts and logic.
    My common sense says A) this comment is completely off-topic and B) you listen to way too much conservative media.
    Yep, you're a liberal. Classic loss of a grasp on reality, and inability to address the facts.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yep, you're a liberal. Classic loss of a grasp on reality, and inability to address the facts.
    Again, I'm only a liberal if you consider things like common sense and facts to be liberal. Not addressing your off-topic comment which fails to understand the regulations and obligations of the federal government is not an "inability to address the facts".

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