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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bwuahahaha, look at the backpeddling!!! This was precisely proposed by Republicans. Hahahaha, eat crow.
    No, it wasn't. The Republicans proposed a one year delay for partisan reasons.

    It amazes me how desperate Republicans are at this point. There's a difference between delaying the individual requirement for political reasons and delaying it for reasons of fairness. And what exactly am I supposed to eat crow about? The website sucks, but the website is not the law. The website is one way (and the easiest and most promoted way) to comply with the law.

    The fact you're so giddy about website problems says quite a bit about the level of partisanship involving this situation.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, it wasn't. The Republicans proposed a one year delay for partisan reasons.

    It amazes me how desperate Republicans are at this point. There's a difference between delaying the individual requirement for political reasons and delaying it for reasons of fairness. And what exactly am I supposed to eat crow about? The website sucks, but the website is not the law. The website is one way (and the easiest and most promoted way) to comply with the law.

    The fact you're so giddy about website problems says quite a bit about the level of partisanship involving this situation.
    No they proposed a delay because they think it's a POS, and it is.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, it wasn't. The Republicans proposed a one year delay for partisan reasons.
    the impugning of evil motives to your opposition and pure ones to your preferred set of politicians is usually a sign of a political acumen significantly beneath that which you have demonstrated before on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the impugning of evil motives to your opposition and pure ones to your preferred set of politicians is usually a sign of a political acumen significantly beneath that which you have demonstrated before on this site.
    I'm not "impugning" or having a preferred set of politicians, I'm simply stating the facts. The delay the Republicans proposed was part of the large opposition Republicans have to Obamacare as a whole. It was never truly sold as a temporary delay to make sure the website was working (you heard far more often about how businesses get exemption but individuals don't). Republicans don't want Obamacare, everyone knows that. Republicans had no interest in delaying Obamacare to improve it, they wanted to delay it as a means to be rid of it. This is simply the facts of the matter.

    On the other hand, the Democrats believe in the law. They passed the law, defended the law and fought to retain funding for the law. It's clear they do not want the law to go anywhere. However, if the website is making it very difficult for people to comply with the law, it would be unfair to not delay the date in order to give people the opportunity to comply with the law.


    There is nothing partisan at all about my comments. It's simply stating undeniable truths, unless you somehow believe Republicans wanted to delay the individual mandate for reasons they rarely mentioned to ensure a better experience for citizens to comply with the law and/or Democrats want to delay the law because they don't like it.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    On a partisan note, I am thrilled at the idea that this boondoggle, this trainwreck called Obamacare might be delayed. There are some very interesting cases making their way to the Supreme Court that have a very good chance of ending this nightmare. This delay buys some more time. It also buys more time to change the face of Congress allowing a majority that believes in free markets to start working on legislation that will create competition in the insurance industry resulting in bringing down premium rates naturally.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm not "impugning" or having a preferred set of politicians, I'm simply stating the facts. The delay the Republicans proposed was part of the large opposition Republicans have to Obamacare as a whole.
    Yes. Because they believe it is bad for Americans. That is the portion you seem to be missing here. Both groups, when they propose delaying the mandate, are making the argument that doing so would be better for Americans.

    On the other hand, the Democrats believe in the law. They passed the law, defended the law and fought to retain funding for the law. It's clear they do not want the law to go anywhere. However, if the website is making it very difficult for people to comply with the law, it would be unfair to not delay the date in order to give people the opportunity to comply with the law.
    Yes. And the continued massive, public, boondoggle would be a partisan disaster for them. They are equally as motivated as Republicans by partisan as well as decent motivations.

    There is nothing partisan at all about my comments.
    There is, actually, inasmuch as "partisan" means "the willingness to subvert truth to group gain". You are fully intelligent enough to figure out the above, yet you choose instead to paint those with whom you disagree in denigrating terms, while presenting those with whom you agree with the best of assumptions.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No they proposed a delay because they think it's a POS, and it is.

    Democrats are just pissed that the Republican bill didn't come with spoiler tags.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    There is nothing partisan at all about my comments. It's simply stating undeniable truths, unless you somehow believe Republicans wanted to delay the individual mandate for reasons they rarely mentioned to ensure a better experience for citizens to comply with the law and/or Democrats want to delay the law because they don't like it.
    OMG, that is just pathetically laughable! Terrorist tactics, a gun to their heads. Holding the country hostage. Umm... okay, we now want to do that to. But we are only doing it because WE are as pure as the driven snow, and you guys are TERRORISTS!

    My God, is there no limit to what the lefty voters will bend over for from their elected dummies?
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. Because they believe it is bad for Americans. That is the portion you seem to be missing here. Both groups, when they propose delaying the mandate, are making the argument that doing so would be better for Americans.
    Agreed. But the Republicans desire to delay was to achieve their political position of repealing it. The Democrat desire for delay (which I just saw on TV the Obama Administration has given citizens an extra 6 weeks to sign up) is to be fair to citizens who are required to sign up.

    Yes. And the continued massive, public, boondoggle would be a partisan disaster for them. They are equally as motivated as Republicans by partisan as well as decent motivations.
    It would only be a political disaster for them if citizens were trying to sign up, couldn't and then were taxed/penalized for it. Thus, it would be a matter of fairness to delay the date when citizens have to sign up.

    Make no mistake about it, the Democrats perfect world would see the site working perfectly and no delay would be needed. The delay is only to ensure the fairness under the law, because creating an environment of unfairness would be very hard on them politically.

    There is, actually, inasmuch as "partisan" means "the willingness to subvert truth to group gain". You are fully intelligent enough to figure out the above, yet you choose instead to paint those with whom you disagree in denigrating terms, while presenting those with whom you agree with the best of assumptions.
    Not at all. I simply stated the facts as they were, noting the difference in the reasons for why each side wanted to delay.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    OMG, that is just pathetically laughable! Terrorist tactics, a gun to their heads. Holding the country hostage. Umm... okay, we now want to do that to. But we are only doing it because WE are as pure as the driven snow, and you guys are TERRORISTS!
    What a remarkably du...

    Nevermind. The comments about terrorist tactics were related to shutting down the government and defaulting on debt unless Republicans got their way on everything they wanted. Oh, and I'm not a "lefty". I'm someone who prefers facts and common sense.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    What a remarkably du...

    Nevermind. The comments about terrorist tactics were related to shutting down the government and defaulting on debt unless Republicans got their way on everything they wanted. Oh, and I'm not a "lefty". I'm someone who prefers facts and common sense.
    Well, you are treading dangerously close to being one, don't let that common sense slip away. Example... there was almost no chance of us defaulting on our debt, unless Obama took action to do so. I'm sure you've heard bye now that the debt requires around $20 billion a month, compared to $220 billion coming in. Use your common sense.
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