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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

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    Macfee, was he the guy who became a fugitve after supposedly killing his neighbor in south america?

    GOP asked tech founder, ex-fugitive McAfee to diagnose Obamacare - NBC News.com

    Please tell me what that has to do with the debacle known as the ACA website and fixing it? I am sure that in the private sector you could get away with what Obama is doing and wouldn't be fired but I expect more out of my tax dollars, LOL, 500 million and counting.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

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    Please tell me what that has to do with the debacle known as the ACA website and fixing it? I am sure that in the private sector you could get away with what Obama is doing and wouldn't be fired but I expect more out of my tax dollars, LOL, 500 million and counting.
    if the gop were serious about fixing the healthcare website, they should probably go after the corrupt contractor who fleeced the federal government, and maybe it would help their credibility when their supposed tech expert is not also a ex-fugitive.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You and I are so far apart, we're never going to get even close. If you don't find $15,400 ludicrous as a yearly healthcare cost for someone self-employed, I don't know what to tell you. As for Medicare? My mom is on Medicare. She is treated by doctors through Loyola University Hospital in Maywood, Illinois. She gets the finest care anyone would ever expect from doctors. She has Medicare and a standard Blue Cross Blue Shield supplement.

    As for what health insurance is going to cost pre-post-Obamacare? The verdict isn't in. And as for rationing care? That's up to you as a patient to see that your care isn't rationed. Malpractice lawsuits are pretty effective deterrents against improper medical care.
    I don't necessarily see us as being that far apart. Some/a lot of that $15400 price tag came because of mandated care by the government. It is ludicrous that they tell anybody what product they are allowed/required to purchase in relation to their health care. I think you and I know better than they do.

    The verdict is in on Obamadon'tcare costs. For just about everybody, minus the Medicaid crowd, costs are going to be higher. And that's pretending there's no cost to the taxpayers for Medicaid or costs to the policy holder indirectly.

    I see four different doctors myself. To sum up what they think of Obamadon'tcare is simple. They think it sucks for them and sucks for their patients. One of the four is thinking about quitting the business because many of his patients are on Medicare. Another one of them now has to limit the days he can operate because if the patient is discharged on the weekend and he is not working so he can sign the papers, the hospital doesn't get paid for his Medicare patients. Pretty stupid uh? He said he is going to go ahead and retire soon because it won't be worth it with all the rules. The other two said they are going to try to find a way to stay in business, for now. Malpractice lawsuits are completely ineffective if a patient can't find a doctor to sue.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if the gop were serious about fixing the healthcare website, they should probably go after the corrupt contractor who fleeced the federal government, and maybe it would help their credibility when their supposed tech expert is not also a ex-fugitive.
    You mean the contractor that this Administration hired and the administration that had 3 years to get it right? Is there anything this Administration can do to lose your support? this is a joke and an example of incompetence and what the govt. does best, fail at implementation of social programs.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if the gop were serious about fixing the healthcare website, they should probably go after the corrupt contractor who fleeced the federal government, and maybe it would help their credibility when their supposed tech expert is not also a ex-fugitive.
    LOL. Grasp at any straw to support those clowns in the Obama administration, uh? That guy hasn't be convicted of squat and the GOP congressmen had nothing to do with developing that failed website. Try a different type of spin.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if the gop were serious about fixing the healthcare website, they should probably go after the corrupt contractor who fleeced the federal government, and maybe it would help their credibility when their supposed tech expert is not also a ex-fugitive.
    It was the Obama White House who selected the foreign based company who designed the Obamacare website.

    And as usual Obama always put second rate unqualified people in charge.

    The entire administration has been second rate since January of 2009.

    Obama has found himself in an embarrassing situation. The right was right again about delaying Obamacare and as history has shown us, the left is wrong again. Blaming Bush has been overused and not even the 52% of the misinformed and uninformed may not go with that one.

    Obama should borrow some balls from the GOP because it takes more than a few years to grow a pair and admit he was wrong for closing down the federal government and instead he should have crossed the political aisle and delayed Obamacare.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    • Everyone's in it by default.
    • Medicare Part A is bare minimum coverage available at no charge subsidized by taxpayers.
    • Medicare Part B is better than bare minimum, available at very reasonable close and subsidized by taxpayers.
    • The negotiating power of Medicare is unparalleled in US history.
    • You don't need no stinkin' website to enroll.
    • Supplemental coverage is available through the private sector for very reasonable cost.
    • Supplemental insurance is not mandatory.
    • You don't need 10,535 pages to re-invent the wheel.
    And doctors are opting more and more not to take Medicare patients because it pays under the cost of doing business, good plan there.
    CMS – which has never before released Medicare opt-out figures – reports that 9,539 physicians opted out of the Medicare program in 2012. That is up from 3,700 physicians opting out in 2009. All in all, the number of doctors who opted out of Medicare in 2012 nearly tripled from just three years prior. According to The WSJ, many other doctors who are not opting out of the program are at least limiting the number of Medicare patients that they treat.

    Likewise, a study from the American Academy of Family Physicians reports that 81 percent of family doctors accepted new Medicare patients last year, which was down from 83 percent in 2010.

    The WSJ quotes Jeffrey Cain, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians. According to Cain, “Family physicians have been fed up for a long time and it’s getting worse.” He told The WSJ that by opting out of Medicare, doctors can focus on patient’s needs rather than what insurers are willing to pay.

    California Healthline says that physicians have several reasons for opting out of the program. Most significant, though, are the low reimbursement rates, concerns about patient privacy, and unhappiness with the government’s increasing involvement in medicine. As far as the increased government presence goes, Becker’s Hospital Review cites the penalties for physicians who do not demonstrate Meaningful Use through EHRs as an example. The WSJ also says that doctors recognize that Medicare payment rates have not kept up with inflation, and that there are dangers of more cuts in the future.
    Doctors Refuse To Accept Medicare Patients

    Gotta love your solution, force the country into a failed system then berate them for not loving it.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    So they are willing to delay in the interest of fairness to Americans, rather than partisan politics, and this is news?
    Bwuahahaha, look at the backpeddling!!! This was precisely proposed by Republicans. Hahahaha, eat crow.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if the gop were serious about fixing the healthcare website, they should probably go after the corrupt contractor who fleeced the federal government, and maybe it would help their credibility when their supposed tech expert is not also a ex-fugitive.
    Oh I love this, you are scared. Hahaha, I love it.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You're confusing me with this data . . . unsourced, I might add. This has nothing to do with whether or not a Medicare model would work. The model would work. It's the taxes collected for it that would have to change.
    There is literally no way that we will be able to collect enough taxes to cover Medicare as it is currently structured. Under no tax structure in the history of the United States of America have we ever managed to collect the kinds of taxes that would allow Medicare at its' current structure to survive the 2020s. Expanding Medicare under any tax structure with any rates in the manner that you are describing will only collapse the system immediately instead of in the future.

    And not that far in the future, either. Those comments about the 2020s are assuming that Congress basically eventually caves on funding the ACA over Medicare.

    Medicare Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2024. Unless You Discount The ACA's Double-Counting. Then It Goes Broke in 2016.

    As we shine a bright light on the cost of treatment and the cost of insurance to cover said treatment, as we increase premiums to accurately reflect projected losses, people will suddenly become outraged that their doctor is charging them $130 for 10 minutes of his time. As their deductibles rise, they will question themselves before running to the ER and wonder whether or not they really need that CT scan for a broken arm. When more money is coming out of their pockets, costs will go down.
    Higher deductibles will absolutely re-introduce cost sensitivity and have the effect of putting downward pressure on prices.

    Problem: Higher Deductibles are "mean", and "some care should be 'free'". Telling people that they need to suck up the cost of their healthcare when the political rewards go to the folks who promise free preventative, free birth control, free for the old, free for the poor, free for the young, is going to be a losing proposition.

    But if we were to put America on a high-deductible, catastrophic care only market, that would indeed go far towards reducing the prices we pay for healthcare. It's just that (at current) the government cannot afford to do that itself.

    Medicare's "unfunded liability" is $24 trillion. Social Security $21 trillion. (Based on 2010 numbers) PolitiFact Florida | Romney says debt plus unfunded liabilities equals $520,000 per household
    I goofed this - the 64 figure in my head was the combined unfunded liability for our entitlements, not Medicare.

    Medicare's Unfunded Liability, as of April 2012, was $38.6 Trillion. And, (again) is currently scheduled to go broke in either three or eleven years, depending on whether or not we keep the ACA as it is currently structured.

    These numbers are misleading because they make the assumption that everything will remain exactly as it is -- expenditures, benefits and premiums. That's not going to happen.
    That is precisely what I am saying - unless we are willing to basically tell old people who cannot afford care to go home and die, we aren't going to be able to expand Medicare as you envision. We aren't willing to do that (old people vote).

    People making $100,000+ in retirement should be paying a great deal more for their Medicare insurance. Not just a few hundred dollars . . . the correct actuarial amount to cover their care. There needs to be a progressive premium that depends upon their income...pension benefits...investment...everything. Perhaps even taking assets into account.
    Yeah. Paul Ryan suggested something like that, and Mitt Romney ran on it. How'd that go over?

    We're so screwed up it's pathetic. I personally know two people who are milking a system that allows them to do so. One has over $1 million in assets and is on Medicare's Advantage Plan. He pays $104 a month -- and no more. That's ridiculous. Another who has over a half-million dollars in assets who gets his medication without having to buy Part D for $5 a prescription through a subsidized plan. He pays nothing for the plan itself. Both of these examples are ridiculous. The system needs drastic repair; but the MODEL itself works.
    The model is parasitic, and it "works" because it is so. Medicare's reimbursement schedule underpays providers, who then increase the costs they charge to private plans. It also contains massive amounts of fraud, waste, and abuse. It "works" in the sense that "hey, we successfully invaded Afghanistan, so the policy there has 'worked'". Force Medicare into a constrained budget as you are suggesting, and watch what happens every time a government attempts to prove it can operate like a business.

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