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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I could see a state-by-state solution if the problem were localized to a few states, but the problem is fully nationwide. Your suggestion would have the solution, such as it is, hobbling along for years before it managed to solve anything. This is especially demonstrated by your "companies selling across state lines" suggestion. How many decades do you think it would be before every state managed to come up with their own bill to make that happen? Your solution is a non-solution.



    Right. Make it hard to sue doctors, as if that was the cause of the healthcare problem all along.
    The problem is an individual one that becomes a state problem if there are too many uninsured seeking treatment. Explain how it is a nationwide program when the costs are localized? It is up to the people of the state to push the program if it is truly a problem in that state. Most states have programs available for just about anyone and if it becomes a serious individual problem move to a state that has a ACA type program. I grew up in Ohio, moved to Kentucky, then Indiana, then TX for that is where the job was. Most people seem to believe they are entitled to a job with benefits. Jobs aren't an entitlement, they are an opportunity.

    Do you think any of the costs of healthcare are lawsuit related? Easy to correct, make the loser pay and if they don't have the money garnish their wages and seize their assets. Consequences for failure.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Kinda confused...first you claim:




    Which were proven wrong...you move the 'goal post' to they didn't try hard enough...
    What the hell am I supposed to flock to? They didn't fight for it!! You can call it moving the goalposts if you like, but do you honestly expect me to be impressed because Bush came up with some off-the-cuff suggestion and not pursue it in the least?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, Pero.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the mandate were delayed. The current problems people are having when trying to comply with the law is making enough news to embarrass the administration, who have had a few years to ensure that the system worked. They knew exactly how many people would be attempting to get on board, so why are they surprised or unhappy now at being criticized for the failure? BHO said it will be fixed as soon as possible, but what are people supposed to in until it is? Most of us don't have the time to keep checking and checking to see if it works "today."
    I suppose so. I am old enough I don't have to worry about it. Hence I never read the law. But with the shutdown over, the media is having a field day over the web site. But the republicans should rejoice too much here, that web site will be fixed and then what? I agree, the only common sense thing to do is to delay the mandates, unless all the bugs get fix real fast like in a couple of weeks which I doubt. When it comes to administrating anything, the government is most inefficient.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Also not true. Check out this article, which just came out at FOX News.
    You don't think the state of New York has anything to do with the high cost of private insurance? You are going to hear stories like that in California, Illinois, and other high priced cost of living states none of which justifies a national program subsidized by the taxpayers of the other states

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I suppose so. I am old enough I don't have to worry about it. Hence I never read the law. But with the shutdown over, the media is having a field day over the web site. But the republicans should rejoice too much here, that web site will be fixed and then what? I agree, the only common sense thing to do is to delay the mandates, unless all the bugs get fix real fast like in a couple of weeks which I doubt. When it comes to administrating anything, the government is most inefficient.
    That's the reason I'm apprehensive about the whole mess! Can someone tell me why so many new IRS agents were hired so early? We're paying their salaries, and the damn thing hasn't even gone into effect yet. It appears to me as if they were anticipating problems with this great new healthcare plan from the beginning, and that does not inspire confidence in me! Many people I have talked with are taking a "wait and see" attitude at the moment, and are doing exactly nothing. I can't even imagine what it's going to be like when they do get involved.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What the hell am I supposed to flock to? They didn't fight for it!! You can call it moving the goalposts if you like, but do you honestly expect me to be impressed because Bush came up with some off-the-cuff suggestion and not pursue it in the least?
    Interesting, questions:
    Did you 'flock to' PPACA prior to its passage?...considering the oft repeated proclamation 'we have to pass it to know what's in it'
    Why would Bush fight for legislation when Congress clearly stated 'dead on arrival'?...especially considering his weakened position after the '06 election.
    Off-the-cuff? It seems pretty well delineated:

    Reforming Health Care for the 21st Century
    Note these specific points:
    •Leveling the playing field by making the same tax relief available to individuals and employers. Americans who purchase HSA-qualified insurance policies on their own should have the same tax advantages as people who obtain insurance through their employer.
    •Eliminating all taxes on out-of-pocket spending through HSAs. Americans with HSAs should be able to pay for all of their care tax-free.
    •Making health insurance portable. Americans should be able to own the insurance policy that goes along with their HSA, and keep it when they change or lose their jobs without worrying about paying higher premiums if they become sick.
    •Strengthening the buying power of America’s small businesses. Small businesses should have the same access to price efficiencies as large businesses when purchasing health insurance.
    •Passing medical liability reform. Limit costly and frivolous lawsuits that waste scarce resources, increase health care costs, and drive doctors out of business.
    •Improving adoption of health information technology. Electronic health records that reduce costs and improve the efficiency and effectiveness of medical treatment should be widely used.
    •Empowering consumers through information. All Americans should be able to obtain easy-to-understand information about the price and quality of the health care they receive from their medical provider and insurance carrier.
    •Providing affordable coverage for vulnerable Americans. Americans with low incomes and persistently high medical expenses should receive additional assistance.
    •Promoting prevention, wellness, and fitness. The President encourages all Americans to lead a healthy lifestyle to prevent disease and improve their overall quality of life.
    The bolded ones are quite similar to some currently in PPACA...what is there to NOT get behind?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What's hilarious is that with every insistence that it's not the Republican's responsibility to come up with anything better, you're only confirming my earlier assertion that true health care reform isn't high on their list of priorities. Just keeping bitching and bitching and bitching about the PPACA.
    Who said the republicans didn't have responsibility to push better policy too? Like I said, it's like you can't engage this discussion without breaking it down innto some moronic, antiquated "us vs them" dichotomy. What I have been arguing is that republican failures do not excuse democratic ones, especially when the democrats weren't seeking a different form of policy


    That's leadership, guys.
    Holy ****, this is amazing. I've just informed you three or four times I am not a republican. Seriously, stop focusing on my political lean and try reading and grasping the words I am actually writing.

    Talk about sad and pathetic ...

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    An entrepreneur is an entrepreneur. We should be grateful for them. They create jobs, invent things and represent the spirit on which our country was founded. In the past, too damned many people were stuck in jobs they hated, gave up their dreams and ambitions, all because they couldn't buy health insurance at any price. That's a damned shame.

    You tell me I could have gotten a job with health insurance if it was a problem. Pfft. I preferred to retire at 40.
    We should be grateful for entrepreneurs. You are exactly right about that and about the jobs they create and so on. But you were the one complaining about obtaining health insurance and even the price of it. You chose a route that made that side of things a little more difficult. Others don't. Nothing is free, past that everything comes at a cost that sometimes includes more than just money.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    We should be grateful for entrepreneurs. You are exactly right about that and about the jobs they create and so on. But you were the one complaining about obtaining health insurance and even the price of it. You chose a route that made that side of things a little more difficult. Others don't. Nothing is free, past that everything comes at a cost that sometimes includes more than just money.
    I pointed to a real problem for entrepreneurs. Most of them fail, don't forget. And before Obamacare, many of them didn't even try. You bet I complained about the price of it. How much money would YOU have to make before you could afford $15,400 a year for health insurance? Just for you? Most people would simply have to take their chances. You don't think that's worth complaining about? I do.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Also not true. Check out this article, which just came out at FOX News.
    Kohn's experience does in fact reveal that some will see reductions but in the entirety there will be anecdotal stories of cost increases/decreases across the full spectrum of this health INSURANCE issue. And both sides will be legitimate in most cases. IMO, the jury will be out on this for QUITE some time.

    To her specific instance I've read that NY state had one of the most regulated health insurance industry in the country. Due to this the premium costs were previously well ahead of the rest of the states thus when PPACA came out they could actually lower their regulations thereby passing Ins Co's cost reductions to their customers. Other states that were not regulated as significantly will see there premiums rise antithetically similarly.
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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