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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If, as you suggested, we should model a UHC plan off of Medicare, you first need to explain why Medicare is a good option. Specifically, if its that good, then why do people buy more insurance when they already have insurance?
    • Everyone's in it by default.
    • Medicare Part A is bare minimum coverage available at no charge subsidized by taxpayers.
    • Medicare Part B is better than bare minimum, available at very reasonable close and subsidized by taxpayers.
    • The negotiating power of Medicare is unparalleled in US history.
    • You don't need no stinkin' website to enroll.
    • Supplemental coverage is available through the private sector for very reasonable cost.
    • Supplemental insurance is not mandatory.
    • You don't need 10,535 pages to re-invent the wheel.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Impossible for them to believe in that bill. None of them read it when they passed it and Obama sure didn't read it when he signed it. The reason they may be willing to delay now is, it's hot garbage and it's beginning to smell. Just like the GOP told them it was from the very beginning. The Dems though, played politics with peoples lives, jobs, health insurance and so on, shut the government down in their political theater and now are starting to fess up to the facts of their disastrous creation because they are stuck in it.

    The only good news for the Dems in any of this is so many of their supporters couldn't spell cat if you gave them the c and the a. But the productive people in America will continue to see how unfair this law is and many more will as soon as their rate increases hit or their hours get cut.

    But keep spinning. It's pretty funny.
    It's amazing how much hatred you have for people with a D behind their name, and from this, are so willing to spew such falsehoods.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    • Everyone's in it by default.
    • Medicare Part A is bare minimum coverage available at no charge subsidized by taxpayers.
    • Medicare Part B is better than bare minimum, available at very reasonable close and subsidized by taxpayers.
    • The negotiating power of Medicare is unparalleled in US history.
    • You don't need no stinkin' website to enroll.
    • Supplemental coverage is available through the private sector for very reasonable cost.
    • Supplemental insurance is not mandatory.
    • You don't need 10,535 pages to re-invent the wheel.

    So would you model UHC off Part A, essentially offering a catastrophic plan, for all? That was the Heritage Foundations idea in 1993, with participation being optional, but participation granting a tax credit offset.

    With Medicare reimbursement rates drastically lower than typical private insurance, who will make up the difference in the reimbursement? Doctors accepting less payments, or increased tax rates?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It's amazing how much hatred you have for people with a D behind their name, and from this, are so willing to spew such falsehoods.
    No falsehoods in what I typed out.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

    This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

    Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

    Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

    I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

    What say you?
    Although I still blame the Republicans for starting the shutdown, I will find it quite amusing if the delay is granted by the White House. That is because around day 10 or there about the Republicans dropped their demand to defund Obamacare and instead replaced it with the one year delay in implementing it. I do think the White House and everyone involved in Obamacare knew of the problems to come but were in a hurry to get the thing implemented on schedule, good, bad or indifferent.

    If the delay is granted by the White House, what this means to me is Obama, Reid etc. should have accepted the Republican offer on day 10 and ended the shutdown then. It seems the last roughly 7 days of the shut was over a fight that that the White House and company probably knew they would have to do anyway. The last seven days was a needless fight and a waste of time, that is if the delay is granted.

    In a political sense, the last 7 days seems like an act to twist that knife into the backs of the Republicans a few more times. Although the Republicans deserved a whole lot of twisting for starting this needless shutdown in the first place. I one looks at this from afar and not through partisan red or blue colored glasses, it may seem the GOP actually won an important battle to them during the shut down. I wonder if this aspect, that is if the delay is granted, will be reported?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So would you model UHC off Part A, essentially offering a catastrophic plan, for all? That was the Heritage Foundations idea in 1993, with participation being optional, but participation granting a tax credit offset.

    With Medicare reimbursement rates drastically lower than typical private insurance, who will make up the difference in the reimbursement? Doctors accepting less payments, or increased tax rates?
    No, I'd model it after Part A, Part B and Part D. Medicare might need tweaking, but it's one helluva lot less a boondoggle than this 10,000-page monstrosity. Right now Medicare Part B costs $104 a month. There are no subsidies available. If it costed 25% more . . . or the premium were progressive based upon income . . . it could afford a slightly higher reimbursement.

    I don't KNOW how Medicare reimbursement compares to regular insurance. But I know that most every doctor takes Medicare patients, with or without a supplement, so I guess there's money to be made there.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    An entrepreneur all my life, I have struggled with health insurance from time in memorial.
    You chose your line of work and knew you would have to find your own insurance if you wanted it. You could have chosen a different line of work and had an employer pay most of your insurance tab. But you didn't choose to do that.

    This is no different than millions of other people who choose more cash money over a job with benefits. Or any other reason to pass on a job with benefits.

    I suspect had health insurance been near the top of your priority list early on, you would have had more affordable health insurance all along.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, I'd model it after Part A, Part B and Part D. Medicare might need tweaking, but it's one helluva lot less a boondoggle than this 10,000-page monstrosity. Right now Medicare Part B costs $104 a month. There are no subsidies available. If it costed 25% more . . . or the premium were progressive based upon income . . . it could afford a slightly higher reimbursement.

    I don't KNOW how Medicare reimbursement compares to regular insurance. But I know that most every doctor takes Medicare patients, with or without a supplement, so I guess there's money to be made there.
    Private insurance pay 130% of Medicare's reimbursement.(see http://www.aha.org/content/00-10/081209costshift.pdf).

    Medicare, like SS, relies on a large population paying taxes while receiving no benefits, and a smaller population paying no taxes, while receiving benefits. Clearly that model doesn't fit UHC, because everyone is getting a benefit throughout.

    Just based on what the Feds have pegged "affordable" insurance at, 9.5% of your AGI, and you would have to factor in an increase to cover the poor, I suspect your UHC tax rate would be somewhere in the 13-18% range.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    You chose your line of work and knew you would have to find your own insurance if you wanted it. You could have chosen a different line of work and had an employer pay most of your insurance tab. But you didn't choose to do that.

    This is no different than millions of other people who choose more cash money over a job with benefits. Or any other reason to pass on a job with benefits.

    I suspect had health insurance been near the top of your priority list early on, you would have had more affordable health insurance all along.
    An entrepreneur is an entrepreneur. We should be grateful for them. They create jobs, invent things and represent the spirit on which our country was founded. In the past, too damned many people were stuck in jobs they hated, gave up their dreams and ambitions, all because they couldn't buy health insurance at any price. That's a damned shame.

    You tell me I could have gotten a job with health insurance if it was a problem. Pfft. I preferred to retire at 40.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    You chose your line of work and knew you would have to find your own insurance if you wanted it. You could have chosen a different line of work and had an employer pay most of your insurance tab. But you didn't choose to do that.

    This is no different than millions of other people who choose more cash money over a job with benefits. Or any other reason to pass on a job with benefits.

    I suspect had health insurance been near the top of your priority list early on, you would have had more affordable health insurance all along.
    I think the thing missing here is whose responsibility is healthcare? I always was taught that it was my responsibility and if I couldn't handle it then there would be consequences for the poor choice that I made. The problem today is there aren't any consequences for failure thus no incentive to prevent failure.

    I further learned that the uninsured in my state have their bills mostly picked up by the taxpayers of the state not the Federal Taxpayers so that makes me wonder why ACA? Pretty good idea why ACA, can you say "slush fund?" can you say the end game of a single payer where the Federal Govt. takes the money, spends it how they see fit and the American taxpayers fund that debt?

    This is a hot button issue on the part of many here who don't understand the role of the Federal Govt. which isn't to provide healthcare for individuals. Medicare and SS are trillions in unfunded liabilities that seem to mean nothing to those supporting ACA therefore they have no problem creating another slush fund for politicians to buy votes.

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