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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    It was ****ty policy that caters to current market interests and the democratic leadership never pushed anything more comprehensive. I'm not sure why you want to ignore that and constantly shift focus to the republicans. Yeah, they had no plan besides resistence to democratic interests. SO the **** what? The DNC still got the plan THEY WERE PUSHING.

    If they were pushing something more comprehensive then citing them might carry some relevancy, but it doesn't




    How does that change the validfity of the statement: the DNC pushed ****ty, center-right policy from the beginning and democrats vigorously supported it? FYI: it doesn't, you're litterally so lost in partisanship that you have no idea how to address that fact in any meaningful way. So you simply try to deflect, based on nothing more than the fact that I describe myself as "slightly conservative".

    It would be funny, except for the fact people like you vote and make-up a majority



    lol, which brings up the same question I asked in the beginning: how is that meaningful when the ACA was similarly targeted and the dems never came out in support for UHC? Seriously, this is hilariously sad
    I can promise you that if Republicans had proposed UHC as an alternative to the PPACA people would be lining up around the block to support them. So what do you suppose the odds are of that happening? If the odds are low, why is that?

    The question is not, why did the Democrats fight for a bill that only solved a small handful of problems, but why didn't the Republicans fight for something better? Before you accuse me of passing the buck again, keep in mind that I'm already unhappy with the PPACA, but like it or not it is better than what was before, and the Republicans have offered nothing better for me to flock to.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

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    I can promise you that if Republicans had proposed UHC as an alternative to the PPACA people would be lining up around the block to support them. So what do you suppose the odds are of that happening? If the odds are low, why is that?
    LOL~!!! What part of this are you having the most trouble with? Is it A) that I'm not a republican supporter B) That I am very open about the fact republicans lacked anything even resembling a viable health plan C) That such is irrelevant to the points we are discussing, due to the fact the democrats never had an interest in pushing UHC and that THEY GOT THE PLAN THEY WERE PUSHING?

    You should be honestly ashamed of the fact that you can't even manage discussing the topic


    The question is not, why did the Democrats fight for a bill that only solved a small handful of problems, but why didn't the Republicans fight for something better?
    So your argument is that the dems should only fight for policy that is better than what the republicans are pushing, and not actual meaningful reforms that work? See, that is the problem, becayuse that outlines a mentality of putting party interest before those of the country


    Before you accuse me of passing the buck again
    I keep accusing you of passing the buck because you keep passing the buck


    keep in mind that I'm already unhappy with the PPACA, but like it or not it is better than what was before, and the Republicans have offered nothing better for me to flock to.
    1) No, if you were actually unhappy with it you would push for something better, as opposed to agreeing with it out of party interests. 2) actually supporting effective policy, regardless of political affiliation, requires something akin to independent thought. A skill you seem wholly incapable of at this point

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I remember when Bush rammed through his Medicare drug plan. The rollout was a disaster, and the Democrats wanted it done away with. Computer glitches made it so that senior citizens were unable to do the cost comparisons and choose the best price, and so that part of the program was delayed. In addition, some seniors were unable to get their prescriptions filled, due to computer glitches. Finally, it resulted in the Medicare Part D coverage gap, also known as the infamous donut hole. However, after some tweaking, things were much better than before the Bush plan, and seniors ended up saving a lot of money. I suspect that it will be the same here.

    But there is one difference between Bush's plan and Obama's plan, and that difference sticks out like a sore thumb. Although Democrats wanted the Bush plan killed, they didn't advocate shutting down the government or defaulting on the nation's bills.
    When dealing with dishonest bullies, sometimes you have to punch them right in the nose....But, no one would have defaulted anything...Once again you adopt the language of the far left moonbats...Not surprising.
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I can promise you that if Republicans had proposed UHC as an alternative to the PPACA people would be lining up around the block to support them. So what do you suppose the odds are of that happening? If the odds are low, why is that?

    The question is not, why did the Democrats fight for a bill that only solved a small handful of problems, but why didn't the Republicans fight for something better? Before you accuse me of passing the buck again, keep in mind that I'm already unhappy with the PPACA, but like it or not it is better than what was before, and the Republicans have offered nothing better for me to flock to.
    So, republicans have to become liberals to be supported? So, you are in favor of a one party system....Well, McCain, and Graham are good starts, but hint for ya....Graham may not be there for long.....heh, heh....
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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Single payer modeled after Medicare is exactly what should have happened.
    Then why is there such a big business for Medicare supplemental insurance?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    ...In fact, the only solution I've ever heard from them is usually along the lines of "make it harder to sue doctors."
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    ...[/I]Do the Republicans have a plan ...
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    ...and the Republicans have offered nothing better for me to flock to.
    Actually they have ('better' is certainly questionable), perhaps you just weren't listening...GWB in 2007 advanced a plan to address these SAME issues in a different way:
    Bush's health plan: Who will pay less, who will pay more - Jan. 23, 2007
    Here's several other RECENT GOP plans:
    Seriously? The Republicans Have No Health Plan? - Forbes

    And the common theme from Nancy/Democrats was 'dead on arrival'...sound familiar?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Then why is there such a big business for Medicare supplemental insurance?
    I don't understand why the fact that there's supplemental insurance available is somehow perceived by you as an indictment against Medicare. ??

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Then why is there such a big business for Medicare supplemental insurance?
    The two are completely compatible. People get the insurance they want and can afford.

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't understand why the fact that there's supplemental insurance available is somehow perceived by you as an indictment against Medicare. ??
    If, as you suggested, we should model a UHC plan off of Medicare, you first need to explain why Medicare is a good option. Specifically, if its that good, then why do people buy more insurance when they already have insurance?

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    Re: 'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The two are completely compatible. People get the insurance they want and can afford.
    You need to put a bandaid on your bandaid to make it affordable. Great model.

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