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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Wow. Just wow. So if you're innocent you deserve to die because of what your associates, family members, coworkers, or just the random guy down the street does?
    Hanging around a known terrorist suggests sympathy with terrorism at the very least.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    Hanging around a known terrorist suggests sympathy with terrorism at the very least.
    Walking down the same street as a terrorist suggests sympathy with terrorism? So I guess that everyone who was on the hijacked planes on 9/11 were terrorist sympathizers then by that twisted logic.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups [W:16

    Is it time to stop the drone attacks?

    I believe it is time to stop persistent drone attacks not attacks in general. If we are to have drones why not use them when needed, but if we use them to excess they become a problem. If we can keep them saved for tactical moments they can be more effective than they would be before. Its just like a game my friends and I played as children we would have to find and capture the enemy team or vice versa evade them. In this game we would usually send out our fastest last so we could surprise the enemy when they were already fleeing.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Wow. Just wow. So if you're innocent you deserve to die because of what your associates, family members, coworkers, or just the random guy down the street does?
    Any moral or other consideration for the death of "innocents" or collateral damage fall totally to the aggressors who started the conflict, in this case the terrorist. The defending side, that would be us, must do whatever is necessary to achieve victory, even it so called "innocents" get hurt on the way.

    We should not only no stop killing terrorists, we should be doing more to achieve total victory.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Any moral or other consideration for the death of "innocents" or collateral damage fall totally to the aggressors who started the conflict, in this case the terrorist. The defending side, that would be us, must do whatever is necessary to achieve victory, even it so called "innocents" get hurt on the way.

    We should not only no stop killing terrorists, we should be doing more to achieve total victory.
    In that case you could easily solve terrorism by blowing up the Earth. Hey, just collateral damage, right? I'm sure you'd be fine with that.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    These people that just don't care about the civilian deaths: Do you honestly think that everyone who is an associate of a member of an extremist organization knows it? Because I know for a fact that they don't.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What exactly do you consider a partisan?
    it's contexual. here, if you can't recognize the impact partisan politics has on the acceptance of policy, and reduce your political opponents to simple racists, you're likely analyzing things with a highly partisan lense

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What real problem? That other countries exist and have different ideas than we do?
    Yeah, if you want to be dishonest and ignore the complexity of the situation, sure, you can say that. But I'm not going to take you seriously

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Some people might want it and some people might not. But their leaders and businesspeople certainly want it. Should we ignore those people and just listen to anyone who's unhappy? Moreover, why should the US prioritize the wants and needs of other nations over its wants and need, anyway? The job of a government in international relations is pretty clearly to act in the self-interest of its own people- that's why it exists.
    And you don't have a problem with "relations" including murder? That's what we're talking about. Whether or not the United States ought to be killing citizens of other nations. There are supposedly "real problems" that we are solving with these bombings. I'd like to know what they are, and why we think that killing will solve them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yeah, if you want to be dishonest and ignore the complexity of the situation, sure, you can say that. But I'm not going to take you seriously
    So then no. You can't articulate what problems you're talking about nor why you think bombing people will solve them. I'm not surprised.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    No, I am not. the entire schtick of the right since Obama has emerged as a canidate is only explainable by racism. The birther stuff, the FEMA trains, the lapel pin, the mindless fantasy scandals, nothing of substance, just basic hate, in fact there are literally 1000s of picese of hate emial floating around with the crystal prison and the water melon patch at the white house. I just cant think of another explinaltion . In my political beleifs I am probably much closer to the right than the left, it is jsut the right is so emberassingly hatful in its rhetoric.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    it's contexual. here, if you can't recognize the impact partisan politics has on the acceptance of policy, and reduce your political opponents to simple racists, you're likely analyzing things with a highly partisan lense
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