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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    Is it time to stop the drone attacks?
    No. It's time for "innocent" "civilians" to stop hanging around in the same places as terrorists.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    We are fighting the war on terror with terror.

    I can honestly say I have 0 fear of a terrorist attack on me or my family or that we would be close enough for a terror attack to get to us.

    To be one of these people in the targeted area, a place where we fly the drones day after day, it is horrible. We are mentally terrorizing innocent civilians. We make new terrorists with each day. Our pinpoint, surgical attacks are just excellent salesmanship. They are not pinpoint...they are not surgical. We are constantly violating the sovereignty of other nations.

    Inexcusable.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    You realize that there are four different reports being tabled at the U.N. from four different Human Rights groups concerning the drone program.

    If you are unable to find a thread that fits your subject, perhaps you should start a thread on business terrorists.
    Yes, by all means lets try to squelch any points that do not conform to your own.

    If you have not given any thought to the bigger picture that is your problem, not mine. By not taking into account the fact that terrorists are in the very business of destroying human rights, both for their victims as well as the ideology they intend to implement, nor the fact that their supporters living with them share this intent, you fail to understand what human rights are all about.

    Yes, it is tragic when children are killed. Why you have made a choice that the children who are to be the victims of terrorists do not matter is beyond me, as that is the result of NOT responding to terrorism.

    In the algebra of warfare, one needs to consider the ramifications of inaction as well as action. Had the world confronted Hitler years before it did, how many lives could have been saved? Would you have allowed no response to German aggression simply because innocent people would die? They die either way, so the truly rational approach, and the one that actually takes human rights into account is one that considers all sides of the equation and not just one.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. It's time for "innocent" "civilians" to stop hanging around in the same places as terrorists.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Actually that kinda made me wonder if they really know. If they do, they they are in fact at least partically to blame for their incineration.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually that kinda made me wonder if they really know. If they do, they they are in fact at least partically to blame for their incineration.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually that kinda made me wonder if they really know. If they do, they they are in fact at least partically to blame for their incineration.
    So if you are having dinner with your family, you should be aware that a vehicle with a suspected terrorist in it, is right now, driving down your street. And if you do not move, now, the glass from that nice picture window will behead your two year-old.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually that kinda made me wonder if they really know. If they do, they they are in fact at least partically to blame for their incineration.
    It's odd how some people use the term "innocent", isn't it? In the case of Islamist terrorism, apologists call people "innocent" who actually support the objective, share the ideology and wish to implement he same soul crushing ideology as Islamist terrorists.

    It makes for better propaganda that way.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yes, by all means lets try to squelch any points that do not conform to your own.

    If you have not given any thought to the bigger picture that is your problem, not mine. By not taking into account the fact that terrorists are in the very business of destroying human rights, both for their victims as well as the ideology they intend to implement, nor the fact that their supporters living with them share this intent, you fail to understand what human rights are all about.

    Yes, it is tragic when children are killed. Why you have made a choice that the children who are to be the victims of terrorists do not matter is beyond me, as that is the result of NOT responding to terrorism.

    In the algebra of warfare, one needs to consider the ramifications of inaction as well as action. Had the world confronted Hitler years before it did, how many lives could have been saved? Would you have allowed no response to German aggression simply because innocent people would die? They die either way, so the truly rational approach, and the one that actually takes human rights into account is one that considers all sides of the equation and not just one.
    Well, this post is a little clearer to me. I had no idea what you meant by 'the business or terrorists' in your other post. It just didn't click in my mind.

    The report being tabled does not address human rights attrocities being visited upon people by terrorist ogrganizations. There are othe human rights reports that talk to this issue. The subject of this report, and thus this thread is human rights violations committed by the U.S. through its drone program.

    You seem to want to get into the game of 'You commit bigger human rights violations than I do' with terror organizations. It would be hard to argue against that point. I don't think the purpose of this report is to say the U.S. commits the most violations. It is to say that the U.S. is commiting violations, and you seem to agree.

    The question this report raises is this.
    Should the U.S. continue with the drone program? ( I will put you down for a yes)
    Are we carrying out the drone program in the best way possible?
    What are the ramifications of carying on, as is, without making changes? Can we reach our goals?

    I don't think anyone is saying that we just ignore terrorism and maybe it will go away. I think the U.S. has, in the last nuber of years, made being in the top echelon of al-queda a very undesirable position to have. This is a sign of success.

    I know if I was in al-queda I would not be looking for a promotion

    I think most here agree that we need to combat terrorism. The debate in this thread is whether continuing drone attacks, the current way, makes sense.
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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    And what? Send in the Marines? The B52's?
    Well, the leftists could restart their "war crimes" nonsense against Obama like they did against Bush every time somebody got killed.
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