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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anyone who is hanging out with terrorists is not an innocent civilian.
    If my neighbor is a criminal, I am a criminal?
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    If my neighbor is a criminal, I am a criminal?
    A criminal? We're talking about terrorists that have killed many innocent people and have every intention of continuing. And they are beyond the reach of any police force. If your neighbor is that, then you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sorry, but we've got hundreds to save and you've failed to police your own neighborhood. Too bad, so sad, bye bye.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I think it is time for the human rights watch to actually stand for human rights by taking into account the business terrorists and their supporters are engaged in.
    You are wrongly assuming that everyone killed is guilty.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    A small issue with the paper you posted. It openly admits that social scientists have done little to analyze the situation. The paper is also during the time period of US occupation. It also correlates the effects of the drone strikes to the reprisal attacks without taking into account the military operations on the ground, or the effect of a standing militia. It attributed the curb in success and frequency to drone strikes. I am not saying it is wrong, but I think there is more to it.

    It also doesn't take into account what is happening today. There has been a resurgence of AQ in Iraq after we have left. Drone strike them all you want, but we don't have boots on the ground and they are all of a sudden showing back up.
    I'm not sure what you are referring to. We still have a very large troop contingent in Afghanistan and we never had soldiers in Pakistan. This concerns Afghanistan and Pakistan, not Iraq. Perhaps you confused that?

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Most terrorist attacks and most civilian deaths by terrorists happen outside the USofA, and happen to citizens who are not of US origin.

    Let those countries deal with their own terrorists.

    We've dealt with those who attacked the US on 9/11 and those who orchestrated it.

    Time to get out. Time to come home.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Most terrorist attacks and most civilian deaths by terrorists happen outside the USofA, and happen to citizens who are not of US origin.

    Let those countries deal with their own terrorists.

    We've dealt with those who attacked the US on 9/11 and those who orchestrated it.

    Time to get out. Time to come home.
    Amen!

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    A straw man. I'm not advocating testing weapons, or eviscerating humans for the sake of doing so. That would be despicable. What I'm saying is the self-evident point that the application of violence very frequently is the cause for the end of conflict. We could rattle off a litany of examples from the past half century most of which have not seen a recurrence of conflict. Hence my point.

    How'd that work for the US against Vietnam?
    How's it worked after how many years in Afghanistan and Iraq?
    How well did it work for the Russians in Afghanistan?
    How well has it worked when fighting drugs in the US?

    How many American soldiers must die to attempt to rid the world of terrorists?

    How much American money must be spent on fighting windmills in the Middle East?

    How many years should we keep this charade going?

    Are you like McCain? 100 more years if needed?

    If your neighbor is blasting loud music, do you attempt to silence them with louder music?

    At what point does the cost of the "war on terror" become too expensive for you and make you reconsider who you attempt to solve the overall problem?

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How'd that work for the US against Vietnam?
    How's it worked after how many years in Afghanistan and Iraq?
    How well did it work for the Russians in Afghanistan?
    How well has it worked when fighting drugs in the US?

    How many American soldiers must die to attempt to rid the world of terrorists?

    How much American money must be spent on fighting windmills in the Middle East?

    How many years should we keep this charade going?

    Are you like McCain? 100 more years if needed?

    If your neighbor is blasting loud music, do you attempt to silence them with louder music?

    At what point does the cost of the "war on terror" become too expensive for you and make you reconsider who you attempt to solve the overall problem?
    This is very silly. Obviously you can create a tally of wars that have defined endings and wars that do not, but at the end of the day more conflicts have been concluded than not. Moreover your examples work against you! In Vietnam the application of violence by the North Vietnamese resulted in the defeat of South Vietnam and the restoration of peace in the country. Was it a desired outcome? I'd say not, but it was a definite outcome. Likewise for Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Just as many times if not many more we have prevailed such as in Korea, the Gulf War, etc.

    The simple point is that violence does not simply breed violence, it also often ends violence.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Most terrorist attacks and most civilian deaths by terrorists happen outside the USofA, and happen to citizens who are not of US origin.

    Let those countries deal with their own terrorists.

    We've dealt with those who attacked the US on 9/11 and those who orchestrated it.

    Time to get out. Time to come home.

    What a small minded and isolationist vision. The death of a Briton, an Indian, or a South Korean diminishes me as well. Perhaps not as much as my fellow American, but it stings. I want to build a better world, not construct a Festung America.

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    Re: Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups say

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    If my neighbor is a criminal, I am a criminal?



    Do you hang out with your neighbor?

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