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School shooting this morning . . .

Of course not. Faster than human reaction. And not nearly as nervous. It's actually difficult to shoot under pressure.

dogs have to get close to hurt you. right in knife range

most attack dogs are wide open for a knife counter based on how they are trained. the ones that aren't cost thousands and thousands of dollars
 
Dopers often cut the vocal cords of their attack dogs so you don't hear them coming There is a tactic to deal with that though. you bring a K9 unit and it alerts you to the attack dogs. Then you shoot them with a suppressed 22 pistol. the K9 guys I know often carry such things

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you try to have as many options as you can. Best I could hope for with Josh? A brave boy who'd step up when others would step back? Would be that he bought me time. Sad to even think about. I'd probably try to protect him. *Shrug*
 
I don't disagree. But with the dog, you likely won't need the second option, and if do, a bullet or two would be enough.

Like I said, I've lived 55 years in some of the roughest areas in the country with no need to be armed. None. So I dint know what country you live in or why you think you so much overkill. But self defense shouldn't take more than seven rounds.

Sorry, but people don't to wager their safety and security on what YOU feel is enough. :lol:
 
how many people have such dogs. I bet less than one in 250 dog owners. I am up on this top, my sister in law raises dogs for police departments and is a trainer. her dogs sell for several thousand dollars. After the cops get done with final training-they cost more than a decent used car.

Your most likely correct. But I'm not arguing most have them. Only that they are a valid and often better option.
 
True enough. But high quality home invaders I suspect is quite rare indeed.

That's what gangs do, among other criminal activities.
 
dogs have to get close to hurt you. right in knife range

most attack dogs are wide open for a knife counter based on how they are trained. the ones that aren't cost thousands and thousands of dollars

True. But if come I my house, you'll be relatively close.
 
I don't disagree. But with the dog, you likely won't need the second option, and if do, a bullet or two would be enough.

Like I said, I've lived 55 years in some of the roughest areas in the country with no need to be armed. None. So I dint know what country you live in or why you think you so much overkill. But self defense shouldn't take more than seven rounds.

My dad drove 60 years with some of the worst drivers in the world (Ohio drivers in snow) and never needed car insurance either.

he carried 5 million in liability. too much ammo won't get you killed, too little will

and since you constantly demonstrate you don't know anything (you just admitted you aren't armed) about civilian self defense, I prefer to trust my own training and the training from experts like Ayoob over your opinions that appear to be nothing more than a desire to bait gun owners for political reasons
 
I don't disagree. But with the dog, you likely won't need the second option, and if do, a bullet or two would be enough.

Like I said, I've lived 55 years in some of the roughest areas in the country with no need to be armed. None. So I dint know what country you live in or why you think you so much overkill. But self defense shouldn't take more than seven rounds.

And yet LEOs will often empty their guns, Boo. Nerves.

I don't know that much about self-defense with a handgun. But I'm guessing that, unless one hits a vital area and someone bleeds out? He's not down with one shot. Or maybe even two. I'm pretty sure I'd empty my gun. I hope I never have to find out...
 
That's what gangs do, among other criminal activities.

Doesn't make them quality. Those I've known have been decent fellows, surprisingly, but not highly trained or if quality.
 
Its illegal for them to have any weapons

you catch them with a weapon-they go to jail

why should honest people be punished at a certain number of rondos

those aren't large capacity magazines-they are NORMAL CAPACITY

what is fair is that someone like you-who doesn't understand the issue-should NEVER be in a position to tell me what I need based on your own lack of understanding coupled with your fear of honest people owning guns

You never say why you need those 100 shot mags and I am starting to wonder about you now too. Are you planning to go out with a bang taking as many as you can with you? Why should I have to wonder what there eventual purpose would be?
 
True. But if come I my house, you'll be relatively close.

yeah and the last place you want to be is close to someone who knows how to use a knife and wants to kill you. I'd rather deal with a pistol at 2 feet than someone with a knife who knows what he is doing
 
You never say why you need those 100 shot mags and I am starting to wonder about you now too. Are you planning to go out with a bang taking as many as you can with you? Why should I have to wonder what there eventual purpose would be?

I'd never own 100 round mags-do keep up-I am talking about people having the same self defense tools as cops. 100 round mags jam too much to be reliable. but people ought to be able to own them because PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE PROVEN that your goal is to ban a bit more each time

just like CUOMO in NYS
 
Doesn't make them quality. Those I've known have been decent fellows, surprisingly, but not highly trained or if quality.

You don't have to have "quality" whatever the heck that's supposed to mean when it comes to a home invasion. You need balls of steel and motivation. That is all.
 
And yet LEOs will often empty their guns, Boo. Nerves.

I don't know that much about self-defense with a handgun. But I'm guessing that, unless one hits a vital area and someone bleeds out? He's not down with one shot. Or maybe even two. I'm pretty sure I'd empty my gun. I hope I never have to find out...

You might, and you might miss with all 17 rounds. Like I said, it's harder than you think. But you won't be any better with 50 rounds. If your skilled, one or two will do.

Best defense, discourage before they invade.
 
You might, and you might miss with all 17 rounds. Like I said, it's harder than you think. But you won't be any better with 50 rounds. If your skilled, one or two will do.

Best defense, discourage before they invade.


you just contradicted yourself three times

I will let you ponder until tomorrow why you have undercut your own silly argument

I agree with one thing-discourage them before you have to shoot. Shooting is a messy business

its hard to clean carpet up

I never really got the stain out of my Yale varsity jacket after shooting that turd those many years ago
 
You don't have to have "quality" whatever the heck that's supposed to mean when it comes to a home invasion. You need balls of steel and motivation. That is all.

No you really don't. Just stupidity and hubris. Maybe enough drugs or peer pressure. But not balls. They assume the advantage. If they thought otherwise, they wouldn't do it.
 
yeah and the last place you want to be is close to someone who knows how to use a knife and wants to kill you. I'd rather deal with a pistol at 2 feet than someone with a knife who knows what he is doing

Someone posted a video a while back on DP -- of a guy who gave lessons in knife fighting...he was in the shadows of the video so you couldn't see his face. He drew his knife and stabbed three times so fast - up/down/sideways - that no one except a trained commando could even HOPE to walk away.

What's the saying? Charge a gun/run from a knife?
 
I'd never own 100 round mags-do keep up-I am talking about people having the same self defense tools as cops. 100 round mags jam too much to be reliable. but people ought to be able to own them because PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE PROVEN that your goal is to ban a bit more each time

just like CUOMO in NYS

Nice how people start accusing you of something nefarious for expressing your opinion on a topic. :roll:
 
you just contradicted yourself three times

I will let you ponder until tomorrow why you have undercut your own silly argument

I agree with one thing-discourage them before you have to shoot. Shooting is a messy business

its hard to clean carpet up

I never really got the stain out of my Yale varsity jacket after shooting that turd those many years ago

I suspect it seems that way to you because you're still having that fantom argue with what I never said.
 
yeah and the last place you want to be is close to someone who knows how to use a knife and wants to kill you. I'd rather deal with a pistol at 2 feet than someone with a knife who knows what he is doing

I was talking about the dog.
 
You might, and you might miss with all 17 rounds. Like I said, it's harder than you think. But you won't be any better with 50 rounds. If your skilled, one or two will do.

Best defense, discourage before they invade.

I agree with that last sentence. I posted a tip here a week or so ago that I saw on Facebook. Keep your car key fob in your bedroom. (Make sure that the alarm button will be heard by your car . . . even if it's in your garage.) If you hear an intruder, press the alarm button as a start. Lights and horn means there's probably an easier house around the corner. Great idea, I thought.
 
Nite all. Nice diversion, but 5 am comes early.
 
I suspect it seems that way to you because you're still having that fantom argue with what I never said.

I find it is a usual SOP of the anti gun posters to try to take evasive positions and then claim that the most logical interpretation of what you said really wasn't what you said

your post was hilarious-you don't need more rounds because its hard to hit a bad guy with a pistol

last question of the night

you have admitted you don't need a gun and don't carry one

where do you get off trying to argue about gun issues with those of us who do and have clearly demonstrated we really understand the issue?

Good night
 
No you really don't. Just stupidity and hubris. Maybe enough drugs or peer pressure. But not balls. They assume the advantage. If they thought otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

That is like saying a man that defends his family would never do so if he thought he could die. As it is with the robber it is with the protector of property and life.

Courage is the discovery that you may not win, and trying when you know you can lose.

There is nothing about having courage that calls for your tasks to be noble or worth doing. You simply must have the foresight to know the danger and have the bravery to face it.
 
Can't the pro gun crowd show a little respect and at least let the bodies cool before they turn this into a political issue?

Why? The anti-gun side won't.
 
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