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School shooting this morning . . .

2 dead? Not that bad. Investigate, punish the offender, done and done.

Didn't read beyond the headline, posted banal response, moved on.
 
Nothing about my guns endanger anyone. All under lock and key, I have a permit to carry and professional training from previous occupations. How many kids died in cars today?

The car argument is weak and irrelevant. The numbers of lives lost is not the issue, lives lost is the issue and one life if not worth you preserving absolute freedom to do or own whatever firearm makes you feel like a big man.
 
I agree. It would hurt to have better role models as well. More Eastwood's Gran Torino, and less "Saw" or the like.

Do you think that importing role models has any real impact? Like Big Brother programs or athletes and musicians who set more positive examples.

BTW, loved Eastwood in GT
 
The car argument is weak and irrelevant. The numbers of lives lost is not the issue, lives lost is the issue and one life if not worth you preserving absolute freedom to do or own whatever firearm makes you feel like a big man.
Another passive aggressive statement. So its not the numbers, but the fact that you think gun owners just need to feel like big men. What about all the women that own and carry? What are they trying to be?
And hundreds of people can die in cars this week, but just a few from guns. But you want guns banned. Makes lots of sense. LOL
 
Do you think that importing role models has any real impact? Like Big Brother programs or athletes and musicians who set more positive examples.

BTW, loved Eastwood in GT
Really, he was just an old washed up auto worker still trying to be a big man with a couple big guns.
 
...How many kids died in cars today?

Makes me wonder.

How many kids stole the family car today and then purposefully drove over several people at the schoolyard, shortly before turning the car upon themselves ?
 
Another passive aggressive statement. So its not the numbers, but the fact that you think gun owners just need to feel like big men. What about all the women that own and carry? What are they trying to be?
And hundreds of people can die in cars this week, but just a few from guns. But you want guns banned. Makes lots of sense. LOL

Not particularly passive in my opinion and I'm giving you, specifically, a hard time for the attitude you present here. Get over yourself.
 
They are human, but they are subjects. We are citizens. There is a difference. We have rights that they dont, and they hate that.

I'll step out of character for a moment to let you know something - if you ever went to Australia and said that, then the Aussies would probably take the time to politely educate you as to the extent of your ignorance...after helping you pick up your teeth from the floor.

If you spent some time in these places (I've been to both Canada and Australia several times), you'd find out that they're every bit as free as we are in America - sure, they have a very few restrictions that we don't have...but by the same token, we have restrictions they don't have (and most of them are better-educated, healthier, and certainly more courteous than we are).

Now, PLEASE continue, 'cuz you're the Real Red-Blooded American, not like those Aussies and Canucks and Kiwis who are struggling under the crushing yoke of socialist tyranny....
 
Pro gun rights people (i use you and your rants as the "generalization" here, since you claim to speak on behalf of all gun rights people here anyway, to no or little objection by them) repeat the stupid stuff they hear from the NRA, and usually have very little to no knowledge about the constitution, the idea behind it by the founding fathers, or the history of the amendments.
Since 5 years only, since 2008, at at no time before that, in 230+ years, was the second Amendment interpreted as the general right for civil citizens to bear arms. Period. While i can appreciate that pro-gun individuals pick up that very recent interpretation right now, it is more than ignorant to claim that this is what either was inclined by the writers of the constitution / BoR or what it was at all times anyways.

It merely shows that the "interpretation" of the constitution, and the amendments, changes over the course of the time, and by that alone is NOT absolute or in any form an unchangeable given right.
Hog wash. No one needed the SC to interpret the BoR until challenges to the 2A were brought about. And dont claim to know anything about my education. If the 2A were that broadly interpreted than our private owned guns would have been gone long ago.
 
Makes me wonder.

How many kids stole the family car today and then purposefully drove over several people at the schoolyard, shortly before turning the car upon themselves ?

well done.
 
I'll step out of character for a moment to let you know something - if you ever went to Australia and said that, then the Aussies would probably take the time to politely educate you as to the extent of your ignorance...after helping you pick up your teeth from the floor.

If you spent some time in these places (I've been to both Canada and Australia several times), you'd find out that they're every bit as free as we are in America - sure, they have a very few restrictions that we don't have...but by the same token, we have restrictions they don't have (and most of them are better-educated, healthier, and certainly more courteous than we are).

Now, PLEASE continue, 'cuz you're the Real Red-Blooded American, not like those Aussies and Canucks and Kiwis who are struggling under the crushing yoke of socialist tyranny....
Any time you find an aussie willing to come to Melbourne Florida, let me know and I will certainly be more than willing to educate him on the rights I enjoy every day that they can only dream of. And I can guarantee my teeth will still be firmly planted in my mouth.
 
Makes me wonder.

How many kids stole the family car today and then purposefully drove over several people at the schoolyard, shortly before turning the car upon themselves ?
None, you have to have keys and an idea of how a car works to get all the way to school, and be able to see over the wheel. But given the chance, Iam sure some would try it.
 
Not particularly passive in my opinion and I'm giving you, specifically, a hard time for the attitude you present here. Get over yourself.

Dont like my attitude, aw. So sorry. Deal with it. The only attitude I have is that there is no valid reason to restrict my rights over what some kid does or some criminals do.
 
Yeah, those Aussies, Canucks, and Kiwis ain't as human as you, 'cuz you're American! How dare anyone even think that they could be compared to a REAL human being like you! They can't, because Americans - and specifically, a red-blooded gun-loving American like you - are the ONLY real humans! Yeah!
Didnt say they werent humans. I said I dont CARE about them. I dont live their lives. That doesnt make them not human...it makes them not my problem. And hey...way to completely ignore the FACTS...you know...that there is violence and bloodshed every day in this country and you couldnt give a **** about THEM...because they dont suit your needs, cause and agenda. You REALLY want to play the "who is the inhumane asshole" game? Quick...tell us how many teenagers were killed in Chicago over the weekend and why you didnt bother to create a thread about them.
 
And whom pray-tell are the ones committing the vast majority of the violent acts...hmmmmmmm?
Statistics speak volumes. The vast majority of violent crimes occur in poverty stricken inner city minority communities. Did you REALLY have to be told that fact?
 
do you HONESTLY believe that the gun haters and gun restrictionists are ACTUALLY motivated by what a homicidal nut case does?
Of course not. I know they get all frothy and excited about the opportunity to exploit the event to attack law abiding citizens and legal gun owners, just as surely as they will be completely silent on the day to day violence in this country. Because....you know...they 'care' so much...
 
2 dead? Not that bad. Investigate, punish the offender, done and done.

I assume by "offender" you mean the adult "parent" that let their child bring a loaded gun to school and kill his math teacher and shoot 2 classmates. You can't mean the minor child who is dead.
 
Dont like my attitude, aw. So sorry. Deal with it. The only attitude I have is that there is no valid reason to restrict my rights over what some kid does or some criminals do.

Do you think you have the right to allow your child to bring your loaded gun to school and go unpunished when he kills someone with your gun? Think again. This has got to end. Your gun your crime.
 
Do you think you have the right to allow your child to bring your loaded gun to school and go unpunished when he kills someone with your gun? Think again. This has got to end. Your gun your crime.
If it werent for the idiotic rush to use every tragic event as a platform to attack 2nd amendment rights or push for some new restrictions, bans, or gun laws, we would be able to have an actual dialogue on responsible gun ownership. Personally...I agree that parents should be held liable when they own firearms and dont take adequate means to properly secure them when there are children in their home.
 
Here.We.Go.Again.

This will continue to happen until we put metal detectors and national guardsmen in the schools. But Americans view that as an infringement on their freedoms and would rather see little children die than try to deal with the problem in an intelligent and responsible manner.
 
If it werent for the idiotic rush to use every tragic event as a platform to attack 2nd amendment rights or push for some new restrictions, bans, or gun laws, we would be able to have an actual dialogue on responsible gun ownership. Personally...I agree that parents should be held liable when they own firearms and dont take adequate means to properly secure them when there are children in their home.

Since fixing all those broken parents is not possible, you might want to come up with a solution that actually protects our children. Even the NRA is suggesting trained national guardsmen, cops, and high tech metal detection systems in every school in America. While I am not interested in giving up my firearms, I would be happy to have more stringent weapons ownership requirements, better communication between mental health systems and the BATFE, and would love to see National Guardsmen and high tech weapons detection systems in every school at taxpayer expense. Holding parents responsible IS NOT going to bring back our innocent babies that did nothing wrong and were shot in cold blood.
 
or worse yet, being in a gun free zone where that guarantees only homicidal assholes are armed.

Ah yes - the gun lobby dream of 300 million people armed to the teeth ready and willing to engage in battle at the drop of a hat anytime, anyplace and anywhere. :roll:
 
Since fixing all those broken parents is not possible, you might want to come up with a solution that actually protects our children. Even the NRA is suggesting trained national guardsmen, cops, and high tech metal detection systems in every school in America. While I am not interested in giving up my firearms, I would be happy to have more stringent weapons ownership requirements, better communication between mental health systems and the BATFE, and would love to see National Guardsmen and high tech weapons detection systems in every school at taxpayer expense. Holding parents responsible IS NOT going to bring back our innocent babies that did nothing wrong and were shot in cold blood.
Kneejerk laws and reactions are foolish. Guardsmen and High Tech Weapons systems would probably NOT be very effective when the school shooting happened in the parking lot. Do you then take steps to secure every park, mall, and bus stop? Additionally...if the concern is mass shootings we are talking about an event that happens on average less than 2 times a year over the last 30 years (though school shootings and stabbings are relatively commonplace in inner city schools across the country).

Rather than armed National Guardsman, perhaps the laws should be changed to allow teachers to be armed (sounds like the this teacher, a non-active duty Marine, would have been more than capable of handling himself).
 
Ah yes - the gun lobby dream of 300 million people armed to the teeth ready and willing to engage in battle at the drop of a hat anytime, anyplace and anywhere. :roll:

Ah yes, of course, the passionate destroyer of basic 2A constitutional rights; ready to deploy immediately upon the release of any drop of blood, regardless of actual cause; quick to discount personal responsibility of armed and unarmed maniacs; heartily ignoring current laws and the inability of the justice system to actually identify, catch and sentence criminals; emotionally engaging at a moments notice and with total disregard of the ability of law-abiding American citizens to protect their homes and families; never wasting the gift of a tragedy to further his personal agenda with complete disregard towards others; mightily sucking on the political teat of his handlers at the expense of common sense.
 
Ah yes - the gun lobby dream of 300 million people armed to the teeth ready and willing to engage in battle at the drop of a hat anytime, anyplace and anywhere. :roll:

Please show us were he said that. I missed it.
 
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