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School shooting this morning . . .

Slyfox696 said:
Tragic day. Reporting on these stories will always lead more and more to think to do the same thing, but at the same time, these are the type of things Americans need to know about. Such a tough situation all the way around.
Can't the pro gun crowd show a little respect and at least let the bodies cool before they turn this into a political issue?
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Like the anti gun scum in the press and congress did after Newtown? We gun owners aren't trying to rape anyone's rights. And us exercising our rights in no way has anything to do with someone committing felony murder and then suicide. The kid violated several major league federal and state felony statutes.
 
lizzie said:
If the anti-gun crowd didn't use every newsworthy shooting as a way to get gun control increased, your point might be well-taken. As it is, the issue will always be politicized.
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The militant anti gun extremists look forward to these sort of incidents. They use the blood of innocents to fuel their jihad against honest people owning guns.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I did. My answer remains the same. Not sure where the confusion is.

And I'll be the first to remind you the right to life of the teacher killed trumps your 2A rights.

But let's not bog down into that now. As I said, the last thing we need is for you pro gun people to make this into a political issue right now (especially considering how limited the details are at the moment). Let's respect the fallen first, and then we can use the 2353272078509 different threads to discuss guns.
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Lets examine the seething fascist nonsense in the bold BS above

1) you believe that the rights of millions should be limited based on the specious and faith based HOPE that destroying their rights will actually prevent someone from killing people even though the laws that make murder the most serious offense going, did not

2) lets extrapolate the idiocy of your claim to other things

a) Joe is accused of killing his ex girlfriend. Now he is not just a citizen in general but the indicted defendant

b) using your logic he does not get

1) a right to counsel-after all the rights of innocent victims trump that

2) to be free from police beating a confession out of him in violation of the constitution because again, his rights not be tortured is inferior to the right of his dead ex to be alive

3) he should be denied bail because once again his right to reasonable bail or at least a bail hearing is inferior to that right to life

4) and why the hell should he be presumed innocent? you don't want gun owners to get that presumption so why should the mope actually indicted for the crime get that as well

ITs people who want to rape our rights that justify those of us who aren't going to piss away the Bill of Rights to be well armed. One day people who think like you might actually try to implement the statist horrorshow you yearn to have imposed on the rest of us
 
Ikari said:
No, we certainly have rules and enforcement to punish those who infringe upon the rights of others. But by very virtue of freedom, there is danger and uncertainty.
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Ah - that indeed must be a comfort to those who died being in the wrong place at the wrong time and taking the wrong bullet fired by the wrong person wielding the wrong gun.
 
Threegoofs said:
Damn right. I'll be happy trade a few dead kids for my right to play with really fun toys.
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what a moronic dichotomy. IF you actually think doing so, then you probably shouldn't own anything that resembles a firearm

maybe you should get castrated because some idiot had knocked up 6 girls in four states

maybe you should be prohibited from driving-it might bring back 100 people that are killed every week by drunk drivers

maybe you should be banned from prescription medication because we can trade your health for some people who became addicted to oxy.

but here is the bottom line. You can do whatever you want with your "toys"

just don't try to argue that we ought to give up our rights so people like you can pretend you have done something that matters and thus you can feel good about yourselves.
 
Michael66 said:
This calls for arming all children who go to schools. Cuz guns are wot's gud for murica. grunt, grunt. Only a gud chil wif a gun cun stop a bad chil wif a gun.
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wow, I didn't think anyone could top the prior posts I mentioned for silliness. I was wrong. I love watching another one of the aesop foxes complain about rights we have that they have lost
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Hear the sounds of children screaming in terror for their lives? Do not be bothered by their screaming, for that is the sound of America's Second Amendment FREEDOM!

Yes, America, the only nation where schools need to hold lockdown drills in case a man carrying a gun is coming to kill them. See, all those other nations that don't have any such need to hold lockdown drills...they're all socialist tyrannies. But here, we're FREE - which is why we have school shootings and lockdown drills!

Yes, from time to time the tree of Second-Amendment freedom must be watered with the blood of innocent children....
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and this is coming from the guy who constantly complains we make him out as an anti gun extremist-whose posts are more about hating gun owners than criminals. And you claim you want "reasonable" controls and then cast a loving eye to nations where guns are banned. Geeez, where in God's name could we possibly get the idea that gun bans is one of those "reasonable" steps you really want?
 
Utility Man said:
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:screwy
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what a moronic bit of propaganda.
 
lizzie said:
If the anti-gun crowd didn't use every newsworthy shooting as a way to get gun control increased, your point might be well-taken. As it is, the issue will always be politicized.
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Use? I have to say both sides do what some would call "use" during these events. I'm not sure anything legislatively can be done, but sitting down and having the conversation is "using" anything. It's just recognizing that something terrible happened and talking about it.
 
Utility Man said:
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:screwy
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The ad us over the top, but priorities are often scrambled in these debates. Family values has historically been a sound bite that has little connection to how republicans vote.
 
Boo Radley said:
The ad us over the top, but priorities are often scrambled in these debates. Family values has historically been a sound bite that has little connection to how republicans vote.
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and caring about children is just something the extreme left spews in an attempt to get rid of our rights by appealing to logic-deprived emotion.
 
TurtleDude said:
and caring about children is just something the extreme left spews in an attempt to get rid of our rights by appealing to logic-deprived emotion.
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That's a rather irrational thought. Some may get too emotional. Some may disagree with you. But as these things happen, talking about them is a valid thing to do. Make a rational argument and try to whine about "the left," whoever they are.
 
Ray410 said:
I don't live too far from that area, that particular school and surrounding area are now infested with Hispanic gangs so this may be somewhat different from other school shootings that we have seen lately.
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We should give all the illegals immediate citizenship so they will feel like they belong here and teach their kids the same:roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
and caring about children is just something the extreme left spews in an attempt to get rid of our rights by appealing to logic-deprived emotion.
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If the Left cared about childen they would end elective abortion. A school shooting is just a post-birth abortion to them.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's a rather irrational thought. Some may get too emotional. Some may disagree with you. But as these things happen, talking about them is a valid thing to do. Make a rational argument and try to whine about "the left," whoever they are.
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as usual that makes no sense. Its more of a "I have to respond to a pro gun post without appearing to be anti gun"
 
TurtleDude said:
as usual that makes no sense. Its more of a "I have to respond to a pro gun post without appearing to be anti gun"
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Of course it makes sense. Quit making vague whinny comments about liberals and make a damn argument. Use the great logic you profess but never show.
 
Jerry said:
If the Left cared about childen they would end elective abortion. A school shooting is just a post-birth abortion to them.
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As over the top as the poster, but some who lean left, like myself, are not supporters of abortion.
 
haymarket said:
Ah - that indeed must be a comfort to those who died being in the wrong place at the wrong time and taking the wrong bullet fired by the wrong person wielding the wrong gun.
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Plainly put, life aint fair. Better people have died for worse reasons.
 
Boo Radley said:
Of course it makes sense. Quit making vague whinny comments about liberals and make a damn argument. Use the great logic you profess but never show.
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That's funny: the fact is that pro gun people NEVER use the deaths of innocents to attack the rights of other innocents. You anti gun advocates do
 
haymarket said:
Ah - that indeed must be a comfort to those who died being in the wrong place at the wrong time and taking the wrong bullet fired by the wrong person wielding the wrong gun.
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or worse yet, being in a gun free zone where that guarantees only homicidal assholes are armed.
 
Boo Radley said:
Of course it makes sense. Quit making vague whinny comments about liberals and make a damn argument. Use the great logic you profess but never show.
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What argument is to be made? A person of questionable morals and common sense went to school to settle a score. That means we revamp the constitution of the US based on that act?
 
TurtleDude said:
That's funny: the fact is that pro gun people NEVER use the deaths of innocents to attack the rights of other innocents. You anti gun advocates do
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They do as much in reverse, calling to arm people. Same coin, different side.

Now do you have an argument?
 
CRUE CAB said:
What argument is to be made? A person of questionable morals and common sense went to school to settle a score. That means we revamp the constitution of the US based on that act?
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No. But it happens often enough these days we might try to figure out why. It's not an either one extreme or the other Question btw.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Tragic day. Reporting on these stories will always lead more and more to think to do the same thing, but at the same time, these are the type of things Americans need to know about. Such a tough situation all the way around.
Can't the pro gun crowd show a little respect and at least let the bodies cool before they turn this into a political issue?
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No moreso than the anti-gun crowd can.

Political hacks will be political hacks.
 
Boo Radley said:
They do as much in reverse, calling to arm people. Same coin, different side.

Now do you have an argument?
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You failed in that analogy. No one is forcing anyone to own a gun. But people like you are willing to have me forced to turn mine over.
 
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