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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, for the average citizen, it is unlikely to ever arise.
    fires are unlikely as well. unlikely is not a reason to be unprepared



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes, its a complete hypothetical. Forget the law, I just want you to tell us that if you believed that a particular regulation or restriction would, in all reasonable probability, significantly reduce public shootings (schools, shopping malls, movie theatres, etc), you would be in favor of such. Call it Panacea Gun Control Act.

    I simply am putting you to the test: Would you sacrifice unfettered gun rights to save 25-50 kids per year; or, is it, as I believe it is to you, an acceptable level of collateral casualty in maintaining absolute gun rights?


    I believe my charge is absolutely correct....many to most gun rights advocates find losing 25-50 kids per year to be an acceptable level of collateral casualties... we are sorry for their loss, but its the "price we pay"..... its ugly, but I believe it true.... because some of those people will accept ZERO compromise in how we handle guns in our society.

    Now, I respect the notion that people are not in favor of gun control because they believe it would not solve the problem. I want to strip away that facade of shelter from those that simply would not tolerate any restrictions on guns in any circumstances, even if it would solve the problem. So, the Panacea Gun Control Act of 2016 will not take away individual ownership of guns, but will include some restrictions or regulations we do not have today, but, it is guaranteed to significantly reduce public shootings.....

    Are you in favor of the Panacea Gun Control Act 0f 2106?
    That's a stupid argument. and what is even more stupid is that saving kids is not what motivates 99% of the people who lead the gun control movement.



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    fires are unlikely as well. unlikely is not a reason to be unprepared
    No, fires happen pretty regularly and we can prove that. Sorry ChrisL but you liked something that was just wrong.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    You are wrong. I bet you hear that a lot.
    Only from people like you. So I must be doing something right. Prove me wrong, if you can.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, fires happen pretty regularly and we can prove that. Sorry ChrisL but you liked something that was just wrong.
    You are advocating for people to be unprepared because you fear law-abiding citizens who have weapons.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It the context of it being enough to defend yourself, I do think it's adequate. But the context matters. I never said that need matter at all in terms of limiting or not limiting.

    Like I said, just read what I actually write.
    What stats are you using to come to the conclusion that 7 rounds will always be enough to defend home and life?

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You are advocating for people to be unprepared because you fear law-abiding citizens who have weapons.
    Nothing of the kind. I'm saying there is reasonable preparation and unreasonable preparation. My brother (you don't know him, but he's an idiot), if preparing for the alien invasion and the government putting a chip in is butt. Such is unreasonable. If what TD claims is true, like with fires, he should be able to show it happens in statistically significant numbers. If it does, than the preparation is reasonable. If not, unreasonable.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What stats are you using to come to the conclusion that 7 rounds will always be enough to defend home and life?
    You're going in the wrong direction. The positive claim is that you need them. I know of no statistics showing that you need them. If you have some, share them.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    people like him demonstrate what I have been saying since I first came to this forum. The anti gun left does not hate armed criminals. The anti gun left hates pro gun organizations that funnel money and votes to anti socialist politicians. Therefore it is obvious that gun control is designed to harass pro gun groups and their members-not criminals
    I don't hate armed criminals and why should I? I try to understand criminals and what motivates them, then am more interested in rehabilitating a criminal rather than punishing them. And that's not to say that a prison term isn't sometimes warranted. Capital punishment is never warranted, not even in the most egregious cases of murder.

    And I think that 'hate' is too strong an emotion to describe the slaughter of innocents by guns in all instances and not only by criminals. It's mostly needless slaughter which Americans choose to allow people to inflict upon others when it could be largely prevented with a few sensible gun laws.

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    It proves that foreign gun haters are mad that we can own guns and they cannot
    That's ridiculous. Canadians can own guns for lawful purposes but we don't allow Canadians to carry handguns around on the street. We restrict handgun use to taking it to a shooting range to use it and then directly back home with it. A law I consider very sensible as handguns are made purposely for killing people. It would be foolish to allow people to carry them around on the street because then we would be somewhat equalling the US statistics of gun violence and even accidental shootings.

    Only allowing that for handgun ownership and use also discourages those who think they need a gun in their home for protection. That's not desirable because we know the statistics say that encourages home burglars to carry guns too and that results in shootings of innocent people as well as the burglars. The punishment doesn't fit the crime for the burglars who are only intent on a robbery.

    And so, it's pretty obvious that most Americans won't be able to understand all that. It's not important that they do but what is important is that our gun violence and loss of innocent lives of our loved ones is much lower than it is in the US/per capita.

    Maybe some Americans who have lost a loved one to gun violence will understand, after the fact?

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, fires happen pretty regularly and we can prove that. Sorry ChrisL but you liked something that was just wrong.
    as does violent crime. what do you think happens more

    robbery, theft, rape or murder or harmful fires?



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