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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is all true, but a dog is ultimately just as vulnerable as a human being when the perpetrator is armed.
    The article address that.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Read Massad Ayoob's THE TRUTH ABOUT SELF PROTECTION

    he is one of the leading authorities on this issue

    while this wikipedia article is a bit of an advertisement it is true

    I know-I have been a guest instructor-lecturer at his LFI courses held in the SW Ohio area


    Massad Ayoob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I doubt it. My shepherds might have taken his arm off.
    Your dogs are not faster than a bullet.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Dogs are great if someone is worried you have a gun and have been alerted by the dog. If I know you don't I will walk right through that dog and you are gonna be toast if I am some badass looking to do you. A dog is worthless against someone with a knife or a gun willing to kill
    A trained dog is something else again, though. A home watchdog, I agree with you. Once they've heard the dog bark (mine sounds like Barry White and weighs 125#) and decide they're coming in anyway? They're armed and ready to neutralize your dog. Actually, most of the time when we're gone, we keep Josh locked in a bedroom figuring that might save his life. Just one of those i's I tend to dot.

    I remember a soldier who fought in Korea telling me that they liked the big dogs . . . they'd charge right at you and it was easy to kill them. The little ankle biters? Notsomuch.

    But if I had a trained guard dog in my home who didn't bother to bark?? Then, Turtle, I think he just might get his groove on.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Now that's something most people could get behind. If they could train dogs to attack with evasive maneuvers, they might have a chance of getting to a shooter . . . without that, and with an automatic weapon, we'd just be sending it to its death.

    An armed LEO and his dog might be a feasible answer to security issues even as they exist now in Chicago schools, as an example. Not even talking about shootings.
    Dogs rather well trained to handle armed intruders. I wouldn't under estimate them.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I doubt it. My shepherds might have taken his arm off.
    the goal is to have as many options as possible. we live in what is now suburbia developed from farmland and we still have a farm and our home sits in the middle of a 26 acre lot with cornfields on one side, horsefields on another and the 5 acre backyards of three other homes (one is horse field the other two is scrub brush and briars) on the other sides. our dogs bark the minute someone drives up the driveway and get within 50-80 yards of the house. we have reinforced doors and heavy gun safes in areas that we are likely to have to use them as cover in any sort of break in

    DOGS ARE A GREAT EARLY WARNING SYSTEM

    so you can get a GUN and SHOOT someone who would break in



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A trained dog is something else again, though. A home watchdog, I agree with you. Once they've heard the dog bark (mine sounds like Barry White and weighs 125#) and decide they're coming in anyway? They're armed and ready to neutralize your dog. Actually, most of the time when we're gone, we keep Josh locked in a bedroom figuring that might save his life. Just one of those i's I tend to dot.

    I remember a soldier who fought in Korea telling me that they liked the big dogs . . . they'd charge right at you and it was easy to kill them. The little ankle biters? Notsomuch.

    But if I had a trained guard dog in my home who didn't bother to bark?? Then, Turtle, I think he just might get his groove on.
    The surprise attack does sound good in theory, but if it doesn't work and they kill your dog? Then what?

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Dogs rather well trained to handle armed intruders. I wouldn't under estimate them.
    how many people have such dogs. I bet less than one in 250 dog owners. I am up on this top, my sister in law raises dogs for police departments and is a trainer. her dogs sell for several thousand dollars. After the cops get done with final training-they cost more than a decent used car.



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Your dogs are not faster than a bullet.
    Of course not. Faster than human reaction. And not nearly as nervous. It's actually difficult to shoot under pressure.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    How would an attack dog be able to handle MORE than one intruder? If there are 4 or 5 home invaders (which is the case a lot of times), then your dog is not going to be very effective no matter what.

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