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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not the issue. Trying to make me the issue is you deflecting. And I have linked support. Try reading it.
    the issue is your cavalierly dismissing the rights of gun owners with moronic claims that silly laws are "minor" infringements (shall not be infringed was not followed by "major") and then spewing nonsense that has no basis in fact



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You are clearly anti private gun ownership. Most people own guns for defence of home and protection of life.
    That may be what the think they own them for but the data shows different. Every study find owning a gun INCREASES your risk of gun death.

    Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.

    And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.

    If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.

    Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.
    The health risk of having a gun in the home | MinnPost

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Ignorant gungoons screaming about evidence when all the evidence needed is to look at the US's gun violence statistics and compare it with normal countries that control guns and the slaughter they are responsible for.
    well another hall of fame stupid post. "gun goons" that's really smart. why are you so afraid of people in another country owning guns? Do you engage in activities that would justify an honest person shooting you?



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That's may be what the think they own them for but the data shows different. Every study find owning a gun INCREASES your risk of gun death.


    The health risk of having a gun in the home | MinnPost

    every study finds armed victims are less likely to be harmed than disarmed ones.

    most of those studies you cite are BS-for example-if someone brings a gun to your home and shoots you, the study counted that as a gun in your home.



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have proven over and over again that you do not recognize any evidence or concrete position outside of your own willful belief of what you want to recognize.
    How is that different than the anti gun posters who pretend that magazine limits are "not major" or that massive infringements on our 2A rights does not violate the prohibition "Shall not be infringed"



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the issue is your cavalierly dismissing the rights of gun owners with moronic claims that silly laws are "minor" infringements (shall not be infringed was not followed by "major") and then spewing nonsense that has no basis in fact
    No right us absolute. And the courts have allowed for some regulation. So you being a little hyperbolic.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No right us absolute. And the courts have allowed for some regulation. So you being a little hyperbolic.

    Regulation has to be reasonable and narrowly tailored to accomplish a legitimate objective. There is absolutely no evidence that magazine limits are either. The asshole Cuomo used a guy killing firemen with already illegal 30 round magazines to demand a move from 10 to 7 rounds

    bottom line-it is dishonest for ANY political entity to issue weapons to its civilian employees for self defense against criminals and then tell other civilians that those weapons have no legitimate use that would prevent those citizens being banned from owning such firearms

    Your persistent and ill reasoned argument is that we should presume that scumbag politicians are "right" when they want to limit our rights and the duty is upon us to prove their actions are more than a "minor infringement". That sort of deference is sickening. And when I asked you to tell us what experience or expertise you have, you could not post anything

    bottom line

    you don't like people owning guns and you will always give the benefit of doubt to anti gun regulations



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Regulation has to be reasonable and narrowly tailored to accomplish a legitimate objective. There is absolutely no evidence that magazine limits are either. The asshole Cuomo used a guy killing firemen with already illegal 30 round magazines to demand a move from 10 to 7 rounds

    bottom line-it is dishonest for ANY political entity to issue weapons to its civilian employees for self defense against criminals and then tell other civilians that those weapons have no legitimate use that would prevent those citizens being banned from owning such firearms

    Your persistent and ill reasoned argument is that we should presume that scumbag politicians are "right" when they want to limit our rights and the duty is upon us to prove their actions are more than a "minor infringement". That sort of deference is sickening. And when I asked you to tell us what experience or expertise you have, you could not post anything

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    you don't like people owning guns and you will always give the benefit of doubt to anti gun regulations
    Your last sentence is a wild emotional leap. Try to temper that.

    The rest is highly debatable. It makes logical sense that having to stop to reload would allow more time for victims to react. But that isn't anything I've research or claimed. I've claimed that it's not significant restriction. We don't live in a war zone. I've heard no rational argument or statistics that show a need for mire than seven rounds.

    NIE you can argue it's your right. Take that to court. I'd be interested in the out come. Show the flaw in the reloading logic. I'll listen. But don't pretend you can't protect yourself without more than seven rounds. I don't buy it.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your last sentence is a wild emotional leap. Try to temper that.

    The rest is highly debatable. It makes logical sense that having to stop to reload would allow more time for victims to react. But that isn't anything I've research or claimed. I've claimed that it's not significant restriction. We don't live in a war zone. I've heard no rational argument or statistics that show a need for mire than seven rounds.

    NIE you can argue it's your right. Take that to court. I'd be interested in the out come. Show the flaw in the reloading logic. I'll listen. But don't pretend you can't protect yourself without more than seven rounds. I don't buy it.
    That's really stupid. You don't understand the reloading issue. Why should honest people be so handicapped. people PLANNING to murder others will have large capacity magazines. they already are violating OTHER laws



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That's really stupid. You don't understand the reloading issue. Why should honest people be so handicapped. people PLANNING to murder others will have large capacity magazines. they already are violating OTHER laws
    Feel free to explain it, but you've said nothing so far suggests it's an important issue. But you don't have gun fights in the street. A few shots and such, but not a war zone.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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