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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's still not a guarantee either.....then there would be that issue for the Court over intent.
    Intent isn't a prerequisite of conviction for negligence. A drunk driver didn't intend to t-bone a car and kill six people. A guy who didn't put a lock on his fence whose neighbor's child drown in the pool didn't mean for that to happen. The act (or negligence) stands on its own. And if it's not negligence to leave a handgun and ammunition where a young child can get hold of it I don't know what is.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the first thing you and the gun lobby need to then do is to classify all Americans into those two categories so we know which ones are deserving' of their Constitutional rights and which ones are not at all 'deserving' of their Constitutional rights.

    Then after you accomplish that task, you will need to offer an amendment to the Constitution to act upon that distinction.

    btw- PROLIFERATION is a perfectly good English language word with a very specific meaning which describes perfectly the significant of the numbers of guns in America over the last two decades.
    1) there is no gun lobby. Guns don't lobby. It is a lobby to preserve constitutional rights for humans

    2) the federal law already decides that-there are those who can own firearms and those who cannot through the operation of due process of law

    3) as I noted Proliferation is a loaded term used by anti rights activists to convey something sinister about honest people being armed.

    even though the number of legally owned firearms in non government hands has increased significantly, the rate of gun violence and accidental shootings have decreased



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you haven't. Your poor reasoning skills and over emotional reaction make it seem that way to you. But an honest person, if you are one, would address what is said. Can you do that?
    again, another attempt to deflect from the fact that you have uttered opinions that are not supported by reality or expertise. The dishonesty is all on your side



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Intent isn't a prerequisite of conviction for negligence. A drunk driver didn't intend to t-bone a car and kill six people. A guy who didn't put a lock on his fence whose neighbor's child drown in the pool didn't mean for that to happen. The act (or negligence) stands on its own. And if it's not negligence to leave a handgun and ammunition where a young child can get hold of it I don't know what is.
    Well.....that's understandable. But now say the gun was locked up in the safe and the kid still got the gun. If a prosecutor went forward with the case and it was so. Even the worst attorney out there should be able to win that case.

    Then.....turn around and sue the state for their trying to railroad the parents over negligence.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....that's understandable. But now say the gun was locked up in the safe and the kid still got the gun. If a prosecutor went forward with the case and it was so. Even the worst attorney out there should be able to win that case.

    Then.....turn around and sue the state for their trying to railroad the parents over negligence.
    I doubt the state would pursue a case like that. There has to be a bad act. If someone had their gun locked up in a gun safe and the key appropriately unavailable, what criminal negligence would there have been? Although in a civil trial, the parents would probably still lose.

    But let's face it. If this kids' parents had HAD a gun safe and the key appropriately unavailable, we wouldn't be posting in this thread.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I doubt the state would pursue a case like that. There has to be a bad act. If someone had their gun locked up in a gun safe and the key appropriately unavailable, what criminal negligence would there have been? Although in a civil trial, the parents would probably still lose.

    But let's face it. If this kids' parents had HAD a gun safe and the key appropriately unavailable, we wouldn't be posting in this thread.
    That or if the parents were able to conceal or open carry and had it with them.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) there is no gun lobby. Guns don't lobby.
    People from the gun lobby have personally lobbied both myself and the State Rep I am chief of staff for in the very office I now am typing this in.

    But let me take a wild guess at what is really behind your statement: in the past you hate it when I state that there is no such thing as GUN RIGHTS since people have rights and not guns. So this is your rather unique way of doing the same or at least trying to.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    People from the gun lobby have personally lobbied both myself and the State Rep I am chief of staff for in the very office I now am typing this in.
    Oh that is people who are lobbying for other people to have their second amendment rights protected. Guns weren't lobbying. You made a huge issue about us using the term gun rights so I wanted to make sure we were being consistent. If guns don't have rights (duh) then guns don't lobby either



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Oh that is people who are lobbying for other people to have their second amendment rights protected. Guns weren't lobbying. You made a huge issue about us using the term gun rights so I wanted to make sure we were being consistent. If guns don't have rights (duh) then guns don't lobby either
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