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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yep. And not anything guns would help them with. not the same for police officers.
    I don't understand your point. ?

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't understand your point. ?
    The issue is about using guns. Whether police need more than the general public. While some professions have more deaths, they are due to not having a gun for protection. So, the question is not where they rank, but if the face more dangers that require a gun than the general population.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Maybe if the media would stop sensationalizing it every time it happens, troubled young people would not get the idea that they can finally be acknowledged by killing a bunch of people.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The issue is about using guns. Whether police need more than the general public. While some professions have more deaths, they are due to not having a gun for protection. So, the question is not where they rank, but if the face more dangers that require a gun than the general population.
    I see. Well, unless one has statistics about how many times an officer draws a gun and uses it to protect himself, we can't logically draw any conclusions in that regard.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Then show where TD said this as you claimed.
    never said I was quoting him and I already stated that quite clearly. You need to go back and read it again.
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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I see. Well, unless one has statistics about how many times an officer draws a gun and uses it to protect himself, we can't logically draw any conclusions in that regard.
    I think I've given links to show the danger and where a gun would be necessary.

    But for you:

    CRIMINAL SHOOTING INCIDENTS 1,510

    OFFICERS FIRING DURING INCIDENTS OF INTENTIONAL POLICE
    DISCHARGE DURING ADVERSARIAL CONFLICT 62

    INCIDENTS OF INTENTIONAL POLICE DISCHARGE DURING ADVERSARIAL CONFLICT 36

    SUBJECTS SHOT AND INJURED 19

    SUBJECTS SHOT AND KILLED 9

    OFFICERS SHOT AND INJURED 3

    OFFICERS SHOT AND KILLED 1

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...eport_2011.pdf

    That was just from one city.

    According to preliminary statistics released today by the FBI, 47 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2012. The total number of officers killed is 25 fewer than the 72 officers who died in 2011. By region, 22 officers were killed as a result of criminal acts that occurred in the South, eight officers in the West, six officers in the Northeast, five officers died due to incidents in the Midwest, and six officers were killed in the U.S. territories of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

    By circumstance, 12 officers died from injuries inflicted while investigating suspicious persons or circumstances, eight who died were conducting traffic pursuits or stops, five were engaged in tactical situations, and five officers were killed as a result of ambushes (four due to entrapment/premeditated situations and one during an unprovoked attack). Four officers’ deaths occurred as a result of answering disturbance calls (two of which were domestic disturbance calls) and three officers were transporting, handling, or maintaining custody of prisoners. Two of the fallen officers sustained fatal injuries during drug-related matters, two were attempting to make other arrests, and two were performing investigative activities. Two officers were responding to robberies in progress, one was responding to a burglary in progress, and one officer was killed as a result of handling a person with a mental illness.

    FBI — FBI Releases 2012 Preliminary Statistics for Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    And what do those links have to with
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    Ah yes - the gun lobby dream of 300 million people armed to the teeth ready and willing to engage in battle at the drop of a hat anytime, anyplace and anywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    never said I was quoting him and I already stated that quite clearly. You need to go back and read it again.
    You mean just now you are saying not a quote - >100 posts later
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    I just heard about this incident this morning. Crazy. What were the kids motives? I heard bullying...
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