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School shooting this morning . . .

What here contradicts anything I posted with link verification?

I would go with your bulls*t story about how English cannot own arms and have no right to. English common law, the English Bill of Rights, and gun laws in England all say you are full of it. And 4,060,000 guns that are owned by private citizens in England all say their gun is proof positive you have no clue what in the world you are talking about.
 
BWHHAHAHAHA Your own website says you are full of you-know-what.

Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United Kingdom is 4,060,000.

Bwhahahaha????? WTF does the estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the UK have to do with anything?

That 4 million number is just over 15% of the population. United States statistic: 223,000,000 guns. % of population: 67%.
 
I would go with your bulls*t story about how English cannot own arms and have no right to. English common law, the English Bill of Rights, and gun laws in England all say you are full of it. And 4,060,000 guns that are owned by private citizens in England all say their gun is proof positive you have no clue what in the world you are talking about.

Yes dear.
 
If the Bar Association didn't make a ban on killing lawyers; Cheney would have merely been a hunter downing an ambulance chaser in season. I wonder if those taste good with a nice demi glase.

I can't say but I find it odd that all these guns and all these shootings 1 politician shot in Arizona I think.
The only other one was shot by Cheney.
The rest college students , movie goers, elementary school kids and middle school kids and civilians at a navy yard.

No body even made an attempt at a politician and lets face it the political leaders of America ain't exactly winning any popularity contest

As I have said before sooner or later a gun is going to get in the hands of the wrong person leagally and they gonna kill somebody that will matter rights or not.
The 2nd amendment isn't going any where but sooner or later it's going to become really difficult to get a gun in America .
Tap the breaks now slow down the back ground checks. or like airplane security go to the extreme you can't have finger nail clippers in your pocket today.
Think that only on a scale of if you want to buy a gun in time for fall start filling out papers in March.:peace
 
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If you say so. <rolls eyes>. Last time I checked I have friends living in UK and they own guns, they shoot at clubs, they go hunting, and they keep weapons for home protection. Now if you want to show that English common-law and the English Bill of Rights have been repealed; have right at it.

Oh - I see you live in Der Peoples Republik of Chicago. How is the Obama gun-grab working out for you guys? Crime down to zero now, is it?

actually she is partially right. British olympic team pistol shooters cannot practice in their home country because private pistol ownership is banned. And I know, I have been to England to shoot (skeet and partridge) several times as well as competed in international shooting events that included English Pistol sooters.
 
OK - I'll bite. Do you contend that only one of the two major parties are funded by Super PAC's with specific agendas? Last I checked DNC hates any group that funds the GOP with Super PAC billions, and GOP hates any DNC group that funds the DNC with Super PAC billions. You know why GOP loves NRA and Jesus and DNC loves AFL-CIO and Cinco De Mayo? GOP had first pick. Anyone who thinks Washington is anything other than two teams fighting over money is definitely off base.

well lets look at the two seminal supreme court cases on second amendment rights

all the dems (Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor ) voted against gun rights in McDonald along with Stevens who has been a liberal since the Day Ford appointed him. The GOP appointees all supported Gun rights-Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito and CJ Roberts. Heller we had Souter who was a lefty all along instead of Sotomayor

bottom line-the democrat appointed Justices have ALWAYS pissed on gun rights meaning if Gore or Kerry had been president in the 04-08 term we would have lost both those cases
 
Just continue to make stuff up, why don't you. Anyone in England who wants an FAC Firearm Certificate or an SGC Shotgun Certificate merely has to go down to the local Police Station. UK private citizens own and estimated 4+ million firearms. This is no different than here in USA where we get CCW's, FFL's, etc.

Gun politics in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Firearm licensing

With a few specialised exceptions, all firearms in the United Kingdom must be licensed on either a 5-year[36] firearm certificate (FAC) or a shotgun certificate (SGC)issued by the police for the area in which they normally reside. Each certificate can list multiple firearms, and the certificate remains valid until expiry even if all the listed firearms were subsequently banned.[37]

Shotguns (Section 2 Firearms under the 1968 Act as amended) are defined in UK law as smoothbore firearms with barrels not shorter than 24 inches (60 cm) and a bore not larger than 2 inches (5 cm) in diameter, no revolving cylinder, and either no magazine or a non-detachable magazine that is not capable of holding more than two cartridges,[19] plus one in the chamber; shotguns with higher capacity require a firearm certificate. Shotguns thus defined are subject to a less rigorous certification process than for the full FAC; an applicant is not required by law to make a good case for being granted a certificate, but the police may withhold a certificate if they consider that the applicant does not have satisfactory security in place, or granting it would constitute a danger to public safety or to the peace.[38] A certificate holder may possess as many shotguns as can be securely stored.

When applying for a firearm certificate, justification must be provided to the police for each firearm, and they are individually listed on the certificate by type, calibre, and serial number. A shotgun certificate similarly lists type, calibre and serial number, but permits possession of as many shotguns as can be safely accommodated. To gain permission for a new firearm, a "variation" must be sought, for a fee, unless the variation is made at the time of renewal, or unless it constitutes a one-for-one replacement of an existing firearm that will be disposed of. The certificate also sets out, by calibre, the maximum quantities of ammunition someone may buy or possess at any one time, and is used to record ammunition purchases (except where ammunition is bought to use immediately on a range under s11 or s15 of the Firearms Act).

thanks for confirming they have no rights to own firearms over there. Lock blade knives no longer can be carried either
 
Its not so much we destroyed them more that we evolved.

a society that takes more and more freedom from the people is hardly evolving. you are going back to the feudal era where only the ruling class could own crossbows (the one weapon by which an individual commoner could kill a knight in full armor)
 
a society that takes more and more freedom from the people is hardly evolving. you are going back to the feudal era where only the ruling class could own crossbows (the one weapon by which an individual commoner could kill a knight in full armor)

I just don't feel as if I've lost any freedom. I just don't see it.
 
I just don't feel as if I've lost any freedom. I just don't see it.

well if homosexual relationships were made a capital offense, lots of straights could say the same thing

you already told us you are afraid to own guns and you claim you don't need one
 
well if homosexual relationships were made a capital offense, lots of straights could say the same thing

you already told us you are afraid to own guns and you claim you don't need one

Not remotely the same. And I fear very little in this world. So, other that exaggeration and snarkiness, do have anything if substance?
 
Not remotely the same. And I fear very little in this world. So, other that exaggeration and snarkiness, do have anything if substance?

your pronouncements have zero worth Boo. You make pronouncements about what you care about and try to project it as applicable to other people.

we get you don't find the right to keep, bear, own, use, etc guns to be worthwhile. But your idiotic assertions that because you don't find the right valuable or that interference with that right bothers you in the least does not establish that the crap your beloved Democrats pull is a minimal violation
 
your pronouncements have zero worth Boo. You make pronouncements about what you care about and try to project it as applicable to other people.

we get you don't find the right to keep, bear, own, use, etc guns to be worthwhile. But your idiotic assertions that because you don't find the right valuable or that interference with that right bothers you in the least does not establish that the crap your beloved Democrats pull is a minimal violation

So, you got nothing. Noted. :coffeepap
 
So, you got nothing. Noted. :coffeepap

that is coming from the guy whose arguments are devoid of any evidence and who projects his fear of guns onto others.

You have never understood that your disdain for a right does not mean everyone else should support infringements of it
 
that is coming from the guy whose arguments are devoid of any evidence and who projects his fear of guns onto others.

You have never understood that your disdain for a right does not mean everyone else should support infringements of it

Between us, I'm the one who has given evidence. You constantly have nothing.
 
Between us, I'm the one who has given evidence. You constantly have nothing.

between us I am the one who actually understands using guns defensively. You on the other hand have admitted you have no clue about guns because you don't "need" one.

so when you argue how many rounds someone needs for self defense it is akin to a faith healer telling a licensed Medical Doctor what sort of pharmaceuticals he needs to treat an infection. You just are speculating because you don't understand the issue

and since you don't exercise your second amendment rights, you really have no clue how certain democrat party laws infringe on something you don't use

so you can make up stuff or speculate but you cannot talk from personal knowledge.
 
This will continue to happen until we put metal detectors and national guardsmen in the schools. But Americans view that as an infringement on their freedoms and would rather see little children die than try to deal with the problem in an intelligent and responsible manner.

Sorry, this might be amongst the dumbest ideas suggested.... Its extremely expensive and suggests the militarization of our schools. Silliness. Right up there with making sure the math are art teachers are packin'......

I'm not sure why any of us are wasting time talking about this. Its long been established the 50-70 school children deaths each year are acceptable collateral casualties in our quest to protect absolute gun rights.....

DP should be used to discuss real issues....we have already, as a society, ok'd school shootings....
 
Sorry, this might be amongst the dumbest ideas suggested.... Its extremely expensive and suggests the militarization of our schools. Silliness. Right up there with making sure the math are art teachers are packin'......

I'm not sure why any of us are wasting time talking about this. Its long been established the 50-70 school children deaths each year are acceptable collateral casualties in our quest to protect absolute gun rights.....

DP should be used to discuss real issues....we have already, as a society, ok'd school shootings....

Chicago schools have metal detectors and coppers in the halls. It's not unprecedented.
 
I would go with your bulls*t story about how English cannot own arms and have no right to. English common law, the English Bill of Rights, and gun laws in England all say you are full of it. And 4,060,000 guns that are owned by private citizens in England all say their gun is proof positive you have no clue what in the world you are talking about.

Sorry, but when you brought up UK licensing laws and restrictions on firearms you destroyed your own argument.
 
Sorry, this might be amongst the dumbest ideas suggested.... Its extremely expensive and suggests the militarization of our schools. Silliness. Right up there with making sure the math are art teachers are packin'......

I'm not sure why any of us are wasting time talking about this. Its long been established the 50-70 school children deaths each year are acceptable collateral casualties in our quest to protect absolute gun rights.....

DP should be used to discuss real issues....we have already, as a society, ok'd school shootings....

that's a moronic claim. the dead school children appear to be an acceptable cost for you lefties to impose gun free zones on us
 
Chicago schools have metal detectors and coppers in the halls. It's not unprecedented.

True. Then again, there was a cop on duty at Columbine when the shooting started. It didn't make a difference; nor would metal detectors make a difference if you were ready to shoot when you walked in the place. The poster was suggesting more than a cop, but a national guardsmen, presumably armed with something more powerful than a .44. Even a cop on duty, he would cost a single school (or taxpayers) something on the order of $50-75 per year per school. If that average school district has 15 schools, this is $1M per district.... not exactly chump change for most school districts that are cutting libraries, arts programs and increasing class sizes.

Perhaps we could just think of school shootings as "Class Size Reduction Events"


(Note: I do not mean these things... I am merely trying to illustrate with absurdity just how callous we, as a society, have become on this issue)
 
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True. Then again, there was a cop on duty at Columbine when the shooting started. It didn't make a difference; nor would metal detectors make a difference if you were ready to shoot when you walked in the place. The poster was suggesting more than a cop, but a national guardsmen, presumably armed with something more powerful than a .44.

1) several lies

a) the cop most likely decreased the number of casualties

b) one incident does not prove an armed officer is worthless any more than a patient who dies of a disease even though a protocol that saves 95% of the patients proves the therapy worthless

c) anything that makes a target a harder challenge normally will save lives
 
True. Then again, there was a cop on duty at Columbine when the shooting started. It didn't make a difference; nor would metal detectors make a difference if you were ready to shoot when you walked in the place. The poster was suggesting more than a cop, but a national guardsmen, presumably armed with something more powerful than a .44. Even a cop on duty, he would cost a single school (or taxpayers) something on the order of $50-75 per year per school. If that average school district has 15 schools, this is $1M per district.... not exactly chump change for most school districts that are cutting libraries, arts programs and increasing class sizes.

Perhaps we could just think of school shootings as "Class Size Reduction Events"


(Note: I do not mean these things... I am merely trying to illustrate with absurdity just how callous we, as a society, have become on this issue)

I thought that is what abortion clinics were for!:shock:
 
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