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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only in part why I don't see it.
    So? What does that have to do with what another separate individual with different thoughts, experiences and beliefs, believing that he or she does need more than 7 rounds?

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Your suspicions mean nothing and prove nothing. You are doing nothing more than TD. You are expressing your opinions which are no more or less valid than his.
    True it a degree, but I have found other statistics. Odd that they would leave this ones out. But I said he could just admit he can't show it.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So? What does that have to do with what another separate individual with different thoughts, experiences and beliefs, believing that he or she does need more than 7 rounds?
    TD gave his experience. I listened. He stated clearly he only needed one shot.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    True it a degree, but I have found other statistics. Odd that they would leave this ones out. But I said he could just admit he can't show it.
    Didn't he already show that the police DO on average use more than 7 rounds when in a shoot out with a suspect?

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Didn't he already show that the police DO on average use more than 7 rounds when in a shoot out with a suspect?
    They are police doing different job, facing dangers the public doesn't face, and that I did link support for.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are police doing different job, facing dangers the public doesn't face, and that I did link support for.
    That is bogus. There are MORE police at a call than when a person is attacked in his/her own home. You don't make any sense.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You are pulling the oldest anti gun trick in the book by going to extremes of regular citizens with machine guns. Tanks and nukes will be next.
    Am I hearing this correctly? You are telling an FFL with a huge personal collection of sidearms and long rifles, including a dozen Class III weapons that he is anti-gun? That's the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time. Good job with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But yes, I dont see a problem with law abiding citizens owning full auto guns as long as they are meeting all the requirements. And I have 10 round Chip McCormick mags for my full size 1911s as well as 2 Mec Car 15 rounders.
    So what. My Glock 19C had extended mags as well with Peirce extenders. And of course the obligatory 33 rounders that fetched a pretty profit during the frenzy.
    And guess what, when I was on. I carried a SW 686 4" with two extra speed loaders. A whopping 18 rounds with alittle 5 round J frame in the boot.
    Then the North Hollywood shoot out happened. Little game changer for the big city boys.
    North Hollywood was a game changer but not for the reasons you probably think. The issue isn't that the cops were highly underpowered in that conflict. The issue is that the FFL that gave the cops the weapons that saved their lives was charged for selling weapons before doing the proper Class III transfers on a Form 3 or Form 4.

    But you are changing the subject. I can't even remember the idiocy you used to troll or attack me originally; but I certainly think the US Government has every right to make laws and regulations pertaining to firearms as long as it does not violate my ability to be part of the unorganized militia as per the US Constitution and the Militia Act of 1792. I think if you are demanding that you need large capacity magazines for hunting, target shooting / sport shooting, hobby shooting, or even home protection; that your position is bound to fail. The only valid argument you could possibly have for owning modern high capacity detach magazines to support sidearms and long rifles is to repel an invasion or to fight the tyranny of the internal government. Your magazine size won't mean a lick of difference going up against the Air National Guard and National Guard. So fighting tyranny cannot happen using small arms. And repelling an invasion this day and age requires an organized militia; and the National Guard has it's own armory and does not need to constrict citizens with their individual choices of hobby weapons.

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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Didn't he already show that the police DO on average use more than 7 rounds when in a shoot out with a suspect?
    What is the average for amount of rounds expended by a homeowner during a home invasion? I can't imagine anyone questions that cops need high cap weapons to do their job, but I am not sure we Americans have a valid argument for civilians needing the firepower cops need. And clearly NY, Colorado, and some other States are taking a hard look at bullet capacities and passing laws to restrict them. Other than the cool factor and that I enjoy going to machine gun shoots; I have no valid reason for owning a 1919A4. I cannot hunt with it, competition shoot with it, or even defend my home with it. I just like having a belt fed, crew served machine gun. Would not having this violate my rights as an American?


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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the silly evasions continue

    Last question of the night

    DO YOU DENY that there are ANY circumstances where a citizen has needed more than 7 rounds to save his life from criminal attack?
    Takes me a second or two at the absolute most to swap spent cartridges for fresh rounds in my Raging Bull or my S&W 29 using speed loaders. Takes me the same second or two to swap an empty mag for a fresh mag in any of my semi-auto pistols. And I only have one high cap weapon that even comes close to my Kimber Target Stainless II 1911 for low MOA accuracy. That's an XD with a Fire Dragon match barrel, custom trigger work, and TFO sights. And in a shootout, I would much rather have one of my 1911's. Probably my S&W 1911SC with Novaks sights. And that's only an 8 round capacity. So in summation, I am saying there is a profound difference between total rounds discharged, and round capacity per magazine. I don't think I need my four Uzi's with 32 round magazines for a home invasion (or my MAC11A1 with 50 round magazines).





    In fact, only a few weapons stay out of my safe. This is my go-to if (god forbid) I ever have to protect my family from home invasion and heaven help the person I target. I don't miss.


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    Re: School shooting this morning . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I will help you. You say people will see it as an infringement. How so?
    OK - at least now you are finally saying what the hell you are talking about. I think a lot of parents will view National Guardsmen with M4's as infringing on their children's rights to be in a low stress environment while in school. Most kids are afraid of guns, and afraid of being hurt. If they see folks in camo carrying light machine guns they will think they are in an unsafe environment and may develop general anxiety disorder or panic disorder.

    Personally, I would feel safer in that environment. When I travel internationally, I often see military with light machine guns. Amsterdam Airport, Tel Aviv Airport, Frankfort Airport, even DaVinci Airport had military personnel when I traveled around Europe last year. I have never seen much more than a fat donut eating machine with a Glock when at JFK or Atlanta. And I do about 150 Delta flights a year and see a LOT of USA airports. Most Americans are the exact opposite to me - they want to see less cops and less guns.

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