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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Yes, there are treaties which the US has signed.
    Seems foolish to do so and I'm not aware of a time in history we didn't do it. Nor am I aware of a time in history where it wasn't done to us. Which treaties precisely?

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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Merkel calls Obama about 'US spying on her phone'


    Are the US spying on the German chancellors mobile phone? She was concerned enough to contact President Obama.
    This isn't anything but a dog and pony show. They been spying on each other for decades. Its nothing but faux outrage, to see whose dick is bigger.
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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    The funniest part of this situation is that people act as if the security agencies in these countries didn't know. If they didn't know, what the **** are they good for? What? CNCIS didn't know about the NSA spying on citizens in its countries? I find that extremely hard to believe.
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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The funniest part of this situation is that people act as if the security agencies in these countries didn't know. If they didn't know, what the **** are they good for? What? CNCIS didn't know about the NSA spying on citizens in its countries? I find that extremely hard to believe.
    I think you would be surprised how ill equipped come countries are to not only fight these kind of invasions but also to detect them. I think its pretty reasonable to assume that your ally isn't phone tapping the leader of your country.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think you would be surprised how ill equipped come countries are to not only fight these kind of invasions but also to detect them. I think its pretty reasonable to assume that your ally isn't phone tapping the leader of your country.
    I have trouble believing France is ill equipped. I can believe Mexico doesn't have the tech to figure this out - but France?
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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I have trouble believing France is ill equipped. I can believe Mexico doesn't have the tech to figure this out - but France?
    What about Germany? They have been playing catch up for years.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Dont look at it as spying...just look at it like the NSA is a really nosy but well intentioned neighbor. That set up a spycam in your bedroom.

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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    What about Germany? They have been playing catch up for years.
    I have doubts any powerful member of the UN wasn't aware of US spying on certain citizens. Most of these things are done behind doors by ministers of defence and their equivalents. They're not some open secret the public is aware of. Which is why I find France's sudden outrage to be more than well timed. It makes France look bad any way you look a it - what level of power does the US have that we can listen in on anybody's call around the world without being detected after the 70 millionth call? The most likely explanation involves local government who play accomplices for whatever perk we provide them - weapons, tech, waved levies - you name it. No way in hell the French didn't know what was going on.
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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think you would be surprised how ill equipped come countries are to not only fight these kind of invasions but also to detect them. I think its pretty reasonable to assume that your ally isn't phone tapping the leader of your country.
    I think that last is so far from reasonable that it's a foolish leader who sufferred under that impression. I don't believe there's been a time in our world where nations didn't spy upon other nations, allies and enemies alike.

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    Re: US ambassador summoned by French Foreign Minister over spyign claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Seems foolish to do so and I'm not aware of a time in history we didn't do it. Nor am I aware of a time in history where it wasn't done to us. Which treaties precisely?
    The UN charter for example

    4.All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
    Spying is a violation of another countries soveriegnty as it is a direct breaking of their laws. Recruiting agents, hacking communications, placing electronic surveliance, inserting citizens under false pretenses. Im not saying its not tolerated. Just that its illegal. Then you have cyberwar

    Should There Be a CyberWar Treaty? | SecureWorld

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