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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Muslims aren't any more special than the Christians whose holidays get official recognition.

    Besides, there is literally no cause to worry about anyone falling behind, just end school for the year a couple of days later. Ta-da!
    Well, not really...

    There's two common "Christian Holidays"

    Easter and Christmas.

    Since schools aren't generally in session on Sundays, easter isn't given off. Good Friday sometimes is, but I've never known it to be given off FOR Good Friday in "respect to the Christian Religion". It's usually given under some other name.

    Then you have Christmas. While most schools seem to have gone to "Winter Break", some seemingly do still potentially do Christmas.

    However the issue with Christmas is strangely the same issue with marriage.

    Christmas is both a Religion and Secular entity at this point in our society.

    There is "Christmas" the private holiday potentially celebrated by Christians concerning the birth of Jesus Christ.

    Then there is "Christmas" the official Federal Holiday, which is secular in nature and does not directly require a "religious" element anymore than "Marriage" does.

    The argument claiming that religious arguments are irrelevant in the "Marriage" debate because when talking about the term in relation to the government it doesn't involve religion equally applies to Christmas. When talking about it from the statement of a federally recognized holiday, it doesn't involve religion.

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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which schools do this? I know of few, if any, which don't simply schedule a spring break around the same week every year whether or not it actually coordinates with Easter, the date of which varies considerably from year to year.
    The school I went to did it and still does it, even if they don't call it Easter break officially.

    Also, at the very least NYC schools have their 2014 spring break scheduled around Easter.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    For some people it is, for some people it isn't.
    Yes, and no one celebrates Eid in the US in a similar manner to the description of x-mas above. hence, it's a poor analogy

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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's not by schools, but by states and cities. Good Friday has the most recognition across the country. For instance, on Easter Monday Texas, Maryland, North Dakota observe it. Cities in New York, Michigan, and Indiana also observe.
    OK, then some schools do. That is moving much, much further away from the norm, though.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why do they have to be closed? Parents can be allowed the option of not bringing kids to school.
    that's what all the jewish and orthodox kids did in my school

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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    When you establish a break in the school schedule for a religious holiday, changing what you call that break doesn't change what the break is -- a religious holiday break.
    Well I don't see a problem with scheduling a break that is needed anyway around a known multi-religious time of year. A single religion's time of year, ie only Christmas, then I have a problem.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, then some schools do. That is moving much, much further away from the norm, though.
    Perhaps so, but it is an established reality in many areas. For clarification purposes as well, one can have an Easter break as well as a spring break. We, for instance, grew up with that, and still have it.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Perhaps so, but it is an established reality in many areas. For clarification purposes as well, one can have an Easter break as well as a spring break. We, for instance, grew up with that, and still have it.
    True enough, but things are changing against it, not for it. Seems allowing for Muslim holidays is heading in the wrong direction. The vague, somewhat well timed, "Spring" or "Winter" breaks and personal days off make more sense and toe the state v church line much better without stepping on anyone's rights.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    I see it like this, schools should make religious holidays days off for the school when they reach a point where a certain percentage of the students/staff/both are likely going to miss that day anyway to observe that holiday because it is pointless to have class when you will just have to repeat that class for a good portion of the students. And if enough of the staff takes off school for a religious holiday then there simply wouldn't be enough staff available (there are only so many substitute teachers).

    Hopefully this is the reason that anyone would give those holidays off to all instead of just counting that as a completely excused absence for those few who may take it off.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, not really...

    There's two common "Christian Holidays"

    Easter and Christmas.

    Since schools aren't generally in session on Sundays, easter isn't given off. Good Friday sometimes is, but I've never known it to be given off FOR Good Friday in "respect to the Christian Religion". It's usually given under some other name.

    Then you have Christmas. While most schools seem to have gone to "Winter Break", some seemingly do still potentially do Christmas.

    However the issue with Christmas is strangely the same issue with marriage.

    Christmas is both a Religion and Secular entity at this point in our society.

    There is "Christmas" the private holiday potentially celebrated by Christians concerning the birth of Jesus Christ.

    Then there is "Christmas" the official Federal Holiday, which is secular in nature and does not directly require a "religious" element anymore than "Marriage" does.

    The argument claiming that religious arguments are irrelevant in the "Marriage" debate because when talking about the term in relation to the government it doesn't involve religion equally applies to Christmas. When talking about it from the statement of a federally recognized holiday, it doesn't involve religion.
    I think you're sort of putting the cart before the horse. Christmas has become a holiday which receives secular recognition because of the large numbers of Americans who celebrate it as a religious holiday. That doesn't make it any less of a religious holiday, nor does it mean that public schools aren't recognizing or breaking for a religious holiday. Marriage, on the other hand, is so multi-cultural that you can't really associate it as belonging to a specific religion, and official recognition of secular marriage has many legal purposes.
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