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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Well I don't see a problem with scheduling a break that is needed anyway around a known multi-religious time of year. A single religion's time of year, ie only Christmas, then I have a problem.
    I'd prefer the solution proposed by someone else, giving kids X number of days per year they can be legally absent.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    True enough, but things are changing against it, not for it. Seems allowing for Muslim holidays is heading in the wrong direction. The vague, somewhat well timed, "Spring" or "Winter" breaks and personal days off make more sense and toe the state v church line much better without stepping on anyone's rights.
    I'm not so dead set against them, personally. Then again, I also like Blue Laws. However, I would say it becomes realistic enough that holidays have to account for a disproportionate amount of students being gone for the dates that requires adjustment (as Roguenuke has stated). As many are probably aware in rural areas, the opening of hunting season is very nearly treated as a holiday, and that is due to a large number of students taking part in the season.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think you're sort of putting the cart before the horse. Christmas has become a holiday which receives secular recognition because of the large numbers of Americans who celebrate it as a religious holiday. That doesn't make it any less of a religious holiday, nor does it mean that public schools aren't recognizing or breaking for a religious holiday. Marriage, on the other hand, is so multi-cultural that you can't really associate it as belonging to a specific religion, and official recognition of secular marriage has many legal purposes.
    Christmas is a holiday though that is celebrated by so many in the US though that it is only practical to not have school on at least that day. In general though, since Christmas falls at a really good time of other holidays and it seems to be a good time for students to get a break, plenty of religions are covered by the "Christmas" break (which is generally becoming "winter break" in most places). And the practicality of having a school opening with so many people out and the likelihood of a certain portion/percentage of the students/staff/both being out is what should be the most important factor with whether a school is open or not for any religious holidays or other things. I'm pretty sure this is a large part of the reasoning for snow days. You could have students that live so close to the school that they might be playing right there at the school anyway during the snow day, but a good portion of the school and staff might not be able to make it in due to where they live.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'd prefer the solution proposed by someone else, giving kids X number of days per year they can be legally absent.
    They do. The school district should have advertised how many days a student can miss, which is a result of compulsory education, rather than considerations of holiday.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Christmas is a holiday though that is celebrated by so many in the US though that it is only practical to not have school on at least that day. In general though, since Christmas falls at a really good time of other holidays and it seems to be a good time for students to get a break, plenty of religions are covered by the "Christmas" break (which is generally becoming "winter break" in most places). And the practicality of having a school opening with so many people out and the likelihood of a certain portion/percentage of the students/staff/both being out is what should be the most important factor with whether a school is open or not for any religious holidays or other things. I'm pretty sure this is a large part of the reasoning for snow days. You could have students that live so close to the school that they might be playing right there at the school anyway during the snow day, but a good portion of the school and staff might not be able to make it in due to where they live.
    I think it's just as appropriate to make a break for Christmas (whatever the other justifications) as it is to make a break for any other religious holiday. If one is okay, the other must be okay too.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'd prefer the solution proposed by someone else, giving kids X number of days per year they can be legally absent.
    That I agree with. There would still be a Winter Break and Spring Break and Summer Break, those are happening regardless. So those and X number of personal days. Perfection.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    We cannot allow a specific religions holiday, unless we allow all religions a holidays.

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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think it's just as appropriate to make a break for Christmas (whatever the other justifications) as it is to make a break for any other religious holiday. If one is okay, the other must be okay too.
    The break isn't for Christmas exactly though. Not now anyway. We can justify the Christmas break from the very fact that there are going to be a number of students and staff that are simply not going to come to school on Christmas. But if you only have one or two students or staff out of a 300 student school not coming in because of some other holiday, then it would be pointless to close school to accommodate such a small percentage of those at the school. It would be a waste of time. It doesn't matter what the religion was the holiday was important to.

    If I plan to keep my kids home from school on "Talk Like a Pirate Day", should the school shutdown on that day just because I personally feel that it is important to my religious beliefs? But what if half the school was going to do this and told the school as such beforehand? Then should the school be shutdown? Having a small percentage of students not in class would only mean ensuring those few students are filled in. But having half the class or more absent means that there is a very good chance that the teacher will have to reteach the entire day anyway just to ensure the class doesn't fall behind.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

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    This is the problem with mixing religion and state. If you want your kids celebrating your religious holidays, they can go to religious charter schools - or better yet - don't bring them to school that day. You don't have a right to make everyone else observe your religious events.
    Better yet. Have the liberals quit preventing school vouchers. Kid might stand a chance at a decent education and parents could choose what type school to send their kids to.
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    Re: New York schools may close for Muslim holidays

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Better yet. Have the liberals quit preventing school vouchers. Kid might stand a chance at a decent education and parents could choose what type school to send their kids to.
    Fair enough, but only if regulations are put in place to put tuition caps or like the ACA give supplement to those at or below a certain poverty level so it remains possible for any child to get a good education. Otherwise this just ends up being glorified segregation by class.
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