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The Republican civil war is just getting started

TurtleDude said:
I am concerned how many slow witted americans thinks we can tax our way to prosperity and think that America should become a nation of dependent children
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We all know who the dependent children are. . .

Indeed, Mr Romney made good on his threat: senior executives at Bain & Company did start getting big bonuses as the negotiations were ongoing in the early 1990s. In the end, says Mr Dickinson, "The FDIC agreed to accept nearly $5 million in cash to retire $15 million in Bain's debt—an immediate government bailout of $10 million."

Mitt Romney and Bain & Company: A bail-out for Romney? | The Economist

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/John-Boehner-Taxpayers-pay/2010/06/16/id/362180
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TurtleDude said:
Here is my comment just so people can see Solletica is misrepresenting my comment. Federal income tax burden means the federal income tax. Not payroll tax, not social security tax, not revenue tax on spirits tobacco or firearms etc
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Any money that the govt. takes from someone involuntarily that is computed from one's income, is by definition, a tax on income.

Or else you could try convincing someone that some of the money taken from him/her on April 15 wasn't really a tax because the govt. chose not to call it that?! :lol:
 
apdst said:
Lincoln was a racist, who was afraid that free blacks would cause a mongrolization of the races in America and Washington owned slaves.
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And, that still doesnt' change the fact they were liberal during their time. Just because certain ideologies change as society matures doesn't make it less liberal or that person less liberal during their time frame of life. Nearly all of our founding fathers were liberals especially when they became President. They did things, many things outside of the Constitution and some of the time it was for the better, others not so much.
apdst said:
I would LOVE to see some links! Can't wait to see what nimrod, so-called historian considers Lincoln, or Washington a Leftist.
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The Murray-Blessing 1982 survey would be the one I'm referring to, roughly 1,997 requests were sent out to all of the then current Ph.D Historians in the US.

On top of this:
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Lincoln was the first President to pass an income tax into law. He ended slavery. He also signed the Homestead Act in 1862, making millions of acres of government-held land in the West available for purchase at very low cost. The Morrill Land-Grant Colleges Act, also signed in 1862, provided government grants for agricultural colleges in each state. The Pacific Railway Acts of 1862 and 1864 granted federal support for the construction of the United States’ First Transcontinental Railroad, which was completed in 1869. He also modernized America’s economic, communications, and financial infrastructure.

I could go on and on, but you should get the idea by now.
 
solletica said:
Any money that the govt. takes from someone involuntarily that is computed from one's income, is by definition, a tax on income.

Or else you could try convincing someone that some of the money taken from him/her on April 15 wasn't really a tax because the govt. chose not to call it that?! :lol:
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everyone with a shred of honesty understands the term federal income tax is the tax levied on income

and here is another slap on the populist nonsense you spew

the top 5% pay far more taxes than they use in government services while the bottom half uses far more government services than they pay in combined taxes to the federal government
 
solletica said:
TRANSLATION: Citations from the Economist showing actual figures were posted which contradicted what Rush told you.
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you are diverting once again. I stated a fact-the top 5% paid more of the FEDERAL INCOME TAX burden than the bottom 95%

Your rush fixation is stupid and has no relevance to any of my posts
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
Single Payor systems work better than ours, that much is obvious.
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it works better for the parasites and the dependents. works better for the pimps who promise those groups that others will pay for their health club
 
TurtleDude said:
everyone with a shred of honesty understands the term federal income tax is the tax levied on income
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CORRECT. Payroll taxes are levied on income. When you do your own taxes, you will learn this.

TurtleDude said:
and here is another slap on the populist nonsense you spew

the top 5% pay far more taxes than they use in government services while the bottom half uses far more government services than they pay in combined taxes to the federal government
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Prove it. Cite evidence showing that the TOTAL income tax burden, which includes all taxes on income, including payroll taxes, and available deductions and subsidies, is greater for the upper 5% than the lower 95%.

We're all waiting for your cited evidence, as opposed to more of your hero (rush)'s opinions. . .
 
TurtleDude said:
its certainly far lower on the bottom 95% who pay less of the total federal income tax burden than in any time in the last 60 years. This is why government spending is out of control-most people don't get taxed to pay for what they want
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And where do you think those tea party yokels fall?
 
TurtleDude said:
you present nothing but evasions based on your desire to support the Democrat Party.
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But yet you are woefully impotent to provide any quotes from me showing any evasions. Telling indeed that you have utterly failed.
 
haymarket said:
But yet you are woefully impotent to provide any quotes from me showing any evasions. Telling indeed that you have utterly failed.
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I merely state what is obvious to most people and let them judge if I am accurate or not. Since no one has criticized my statements, I take that as affirmation that they agree with my charges
 
Deuce said:
Right wing murder fantasies can be entertaining as well as disturbing.

But they are pure fantasy.
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He actually believes that the large agricultural concerns (the one's that produce most of this countrys' food) whose biggest customer is the US govt is going to side with a bunch of loons.
 
haymarket said:
And where do you think those tea party yokels fall?
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half the left criticize the tea party activists as being greedy rich people who don't want to support the "needy" and half claim they are undereducated yokels who should be sucking on the public teat.

when those who hate the TEA PARTY can decide what their position is, then I will address your question
 
TurtleDude said:
you are diverting once again. I stated a fact-the top 5% paid more of the FEDERAL INCOME TAX burden than the bottom 95%
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They don't. And FYI, payroll taxes are indeed a federal income tax--they're taxes levied on wage earners by the federal govt.

Even otherwise, any relevant discussion on the total federal tax burden must include all levied federal taxes. Otherwise, the statistic has no practical value.

TurtleDude said:
Your rush fixation is stupid and has no relevance to any of my posts
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We're all wondering why you still use him as a source. Have you asked him to explain to you the concept of a payroll tax? Do you even know what it is?
 
solletica said:
CORRECT. Payroll taxes are levied on income. When you do your own taxes, you will learn this.



Prove it. Cite evidence showing that the TOTAL income tax burden, which includes all taxes on income, including payroll taxes, and available deductions and subsidies, is greater for the upper 5% than the lower 95%.

We're all waiting for your cited evidence, as opposed to more of your hero (rush)'s opinions. . .
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why are you DISHONESTLY demanding I prove something I NEVER CLAIMED?
 
haymarket said:
You do so love the fallacy of Argumentum ad Populum.
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You love substituting silly HS debate terms that have no relevance to this discussion. YOu confuse my not satisfying your demands with being unable to prove my assertions.
 
TurtleDude said:
half the left criticize the tea party activists as being greedy rich people who don't want to support the "needy" and half claim they are undereducated yokels who should be sucking on the public teat.

when those who hate the TEA PARTY can decide what their position is, then I will address your question
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And your proof of this allegation is where exactly?

As usual - your posts are merely pompous personal pontifications devoid of any evidence.
 
TurtleDude said:
I merely state what is obvious to most people
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What's obvious to most people is your inability to cite anything to back up your assertions.

I ask again: cite actual evidence from an official source showing that the TOTAL federal tax burden for the upper 5% exceeds that of the lower 95%.

We're still waiting. . .
 
TurtleDude said:
You love substituting silly HS debate terms that have no relevance to this discussion. YOu confuse my not satisfying your demands with being unable to prove my assertions.
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that is only your opinion because you have no idea what actual debate is and each and every post from you proves it.
 
solletica said:
What's obvious to most people is your inability to cite anything to back up your assertions.

I ask again: cite actual evidence from an official source showing that the TOTAL federal tax burden for the upper 5% exceeds that of the lower 95%.

We're still waiting. . .
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He never does ... he never does. Its all pompous personal pontifications.
 
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