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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So you agree 'Your link doesn't say anything specifically about the rate table including payroll taxes (please point it out if I missed it)' as was YOUR assertion.

    And no, when YOU make assertions the burden of proof is on YOU
    No, the burden of proof is TD's, because he asserted that the upper 5% pay MOST of the TOTAL federal tax burden, i. e.

    Quote Originally Posted by turtledude
    ts certainly far lower on the bottom 95% who pay less of the total federal income tax burden than in any time in the last 60 years.
    And the total federal income tax burden INCLUDES the payroll tax, which is why they are bundled into the income tax rates quoted by the IRS.

    But td has yet to provide us that chart; he's still worming around in silliness trying to claim that payroll taxes don't count as an income tax even though it's unrefundable money taken by the federal govt. based on income.

    Maybe we should tell all those who pay payroll taxes that they shouldn't be concerned about it since it's not really a tax, according to td

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The federal govt. claims all taxes are used for the benefit of the taxpayer. How is the payroll tax any different?



    Really? Explain to us what this "alleged benefit" is and how it's different from any other federal tax.
    Do you deny that the top 5% pay about 57% or more of the Federal INcome Tax/



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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    No, the burden of proof is TD's, because he asserted that the upper 5% pay MOST of the TOTAL federal tax burden, i. e.



    And the total federal income tax burden INCLUDES the payroll tax, which is why they are bundled into the income tax rates quoted by the IRS.

    But td has yet to provide us that chart; he's still worming around in silliness trying to claim that payroll taxes don't count as an income tax even though it's unrefundable money taken by the federal govt. based on income.

    Maybe we should tell all those who pay payroll taxes that they shouldn't be concerned about it since it's not really a tax, according to td

    I guess lying is the SOP in your posts



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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    What's obvious to most people is your inability to cite anything to back up your assertions.

    I ask again: cite actual evidence from an official source showing that the TOTAL federal tax burden for the upper 5% exceeds that of the lower 95%.

    We're still waiting. . .
    While I'm sure this is a waste of time:
    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/13inwinbulratesshare.pdf
    Ok, go to page 61.

    Note the 2010 line (latest data available), look in 'total' column where you will find $949,144 million. Now look in column 3, 'Top 5 percent' and find $549,474 million. So the percentage of '5 percenter's' is 57.9% of the whole INCOME TAX revenue realized. This would support '5% exceeds that of the lower 95%.'

    This is a more convenient source but may not meet your 'official source' prerequisite...

    National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

    From this site you will note this is not a 'new' trend...
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    While I'm sure this is a waste of time:
    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/13inwinbulratesshare.pdf
    Ok, go to page 61.

    Note the 2010 line (latest data available), look in 'total' column where you will find $949,144 million. Now look in column 3, 'Top 5 percent' and find $549,474 million. So the percentage of '5 percenter's' is 57.9% of the whole INCOME TAX revenue realized. This would support '5% exceeds that of the lower 95%.'

    This is a more convenient source but may not meet your 'official source' prerequisite...

    National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

    From this site you will note this is not a 'new' trend...
    it is sort of a waste of time to provide evidence to posters who ignore facts and change the subject when they have been proven wrong



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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    ...And the total federal income tax burden INCLUDES the payroll tax, which is why they are bundled into the income tax rates quoted by the IRS...
    'Bundled' in what income tax rates quoted where? The site you provided earlier didn't indicate that PR was included in income tax rates (which I pointed out). The site I provided refuted it...did I miss something?
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Do you deny that the top 5% pay about 57% or more of the Federal INcome Tax/
    They don't. Here's the chart that shows the breakdown of what each segment of the populate pays in TOTAL federal income taxes, and TOTAL state taxes (including sales and excise taxes). . .

    From the Washington Post's chart, the portion of the total federal income tax burden paid by the upper 5% =

    upper 1% federal portion + upper 4% federal portion = 21.1% + 20.6% = 41.7%.

    And 41.7% is not the majority, i. e. the lower 95% is paying the remaining 58.3% of the total federal income tax burden.

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    The WP's chart is taken the following table from Citizens For Tax Justice,



    The portion that denotes the total federal income tax share as cited in the Post's chart can easily be computed from CTJ's chart above showing the combined state and federal tax burdens.

    And, as can easily be seen from the above chart, the total state and federal tax burdens for thee upper 5% =
    21.6% (top 1%) + 15.5% (next 4%) = 37.1% .

    So kinda hard to make an argument that the upper 5% (the richest) are paying most of the total taxes with a 37.1% figure, eh? ?

    CTJ's data, in turn, is derived from the Institute on Taxation on Economic Policy. . .

    All Reports By Year | The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)
    Last edited by solletica; 10-20-13 at 10:46 PM.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Why does Solletica continue to dishonestly confuse the FEDERAL INCOME TAX with all taxes



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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    They don't. Here's the chart that shows the breakdown of what each segment of the populate pays in TOTAL federal income taxes, and TOTAL state taxes (including sales and excise taxes). . .



    From the Washington Post's chart, the portion of the total federal income tax burden paid by the upper 5% =

    upper 1% federal portion + upper 4% federal portion = 21.1% + 20.6% = 41.7%.

    And 41.7% is not the majority, i. e. the lower 95% is paying the remaining 58.3% of the total federal income tax burden.

    --
    The WP's chart is taken the following table from Citizens For Tax Justice,

    ...
    The portion that denotes the total federal income tax share as cited in the Post's chart can easily be computed from CTJ's chart showing the combined state and federal tax burdens.

    CTJ's data, in turn, is derived from the Institute on Taxation on Economic Policy. . .
    OH GREAT! Now Washington Post and CTJ are 'official source'...you're kidding right?
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    OH GREAT! Now Washington Post and CTJ are 'official source'...you're kidding right?
    Its hilarious watching the diversion.



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