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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    True enough, ultra left nonsense for many Americans but right in the middle for the rest of the world. Remember pal, it's your country that is falling apart and failing, not Canada. Maybe there's a good reason why? Ya think? Or are the left and the right on this forum making up all the problems we are hearing about?
    Yes. It is our country...not yours. And that is enough of a reason to dismiss your ultra-left nonsense right there...regardless of what you've been "hearing about".
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    True or false. Do the income tax rates quoted by the IRS include the payroll tax?

    2013 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2013

    Tell us, boy.

    This should be fun
    Your link doesn't say anything specifically about the rate table including payroll taxes (please point it out if I missed it) but I went to the source and found this:

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p505.pdf

    Note that the tables are taken from this document starting on page 20. Also at you leisure review page 19 as it is the worksheet that reveals the number to use in column (a). After reviewing 'Worksheet 1-5' (on page 19) please come back and state were specifically payroll taxes are to be used in the calculation...(remember this is the basis of your link)...this SHOULD be fun!

    we'll be waiting...
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NOpe, I assume people who feel they are up to arguing with me are aware of obvious facts.
    We know the facts, UP TO and including the fact that the data provided on the chart DOES NOT reflect the total federal income tax collected because the tax rates for the various income levels DO NOT MATCH the actual rates the IRS quotes for the various tax levels in 2009. . .

    2009 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2009

    You see, the above tax rates are what are actually PAID by people at the various income levels to the federal govt.

    as opposed to the chart you provided, which excludes the payroll taxes, i. e. doesn't quote all the tax paid, which explains how the top 25% can, say, have a 14% tax rate--as quoted in your chart--as opposed to the full tax rate (which woulod be around 25-30%)--quoted by the IRS table above.

    I actually have the chart that shows how much of the total federal tax is paid by everyone based on the IRS quoted rates, rates that take into account the TOTAL UNREFUNDED FEDERAL INCOME TAX PAID (which includes all payroll taxes) BY APRIL 15 by various earning segments.

    But you're entertaining us , so we're going to give you another chance to cite THAT chart, which shouldn't be that hard to find.

    Still, this is a significant improvement for you, considering it's the first time we've seen you cite anything at all.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    We know the facts, UP TO and including the fact that the data provided on the chart DOES NOT reflect the total federal income tax collected because the tax rates for the various income levels DO NOT MATCH the actual rates the IRS quotes for the various tax levels in 2009. . .

    2009 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2009

    You see, the above tax rates are what are actually PAID by people at the various income levels to the federal govt.

    as opposed to the chart you provided, which excludes the payroll taxes, i. e. doesn't quote all the tax paid, which explains how the top 25% can, say, have a 14% tax rate--as quoted in your chart--as opposed to the full tax rate (which woulod be around 25-30%)--quoted by the IRS table above.

    I actually have the chart that shows how much of the total federal tax is paid by everyone based on the IRS quoted rates, rates that take into account the TOTAL UNREFUNDED FEDERAL INCOME TAX PAID (which includes all payroll taxes) BY APRIL 15 by various earning segments.

    But you're entertaining us , so we're going to give you another chance to cite THAT chart, which shouldn't be that hard to find.

    Still, this is a significant improvement for you, considering it's the first time we've seen you cite anything at all.
    your blatantly dishonest posts are entertaining lots of people

    payroll taxes are different than the Federal Income Tax

    and I cannot help what you HAVE FAILED TO HAVE SEEN



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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Your link doesn't say anything specifically about the rate table including payroll taxes (please point it out if I missed it) but I went to the source and found this:

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p505.pdf

    Note that the tables are taken from this document starting on page 20. Also at you leisure review page 19 as it is the worksheet that reveals the number to use in column (a). After reviewing 'Worksheet 1-5' (on page 19) please come back and state were specifically payroll taxes are to be used in the calculation...(remember this is the basis of your link)...this SHOULD be fun!

    we'll be waiting...
    You won't have to wait long, because I already had it, or else I wouldn't have asked td to provide it for us.

    But the burden of proof is td's, because he's the one who made the ridiculous claim about the upper 5% paying most of the total federal income taxes collected.

    And we're waiting for him to cite it for us. . .

    . . .although, this is a historic moment for td--has actually cited something, albeit the wrong document, but something, which is a first for him.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your blatantly dishonest posts are entertaining lots of people

    payroll taxes are different than the Federal Income Tax
    Really? Explain to us the difference between the payroll tax and you're so called "federal income tax" from the perspective of the average wage-earning taxpayer.

    We'd all like to hear it :

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Really? Explain to us the difference between the payroll tax and you're so called "federal income tax" from the perspective of the average wage-earning taxpayer.

    We'd all like to hear it :
    I couldn't care less. the payroll "taxes" as you call them are supposed to be used for benefits for the tax payer. the Federal Income tax does not result in any proportionate benefits for the tax payer. Many "taxpayers" pay almost no Federal Income Tax but do pay social security "tax" medicare "tax" etc which they allegedly benefit from.



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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Republicans continue to rue the day Nixon was POTUS..
    Not because of Watergate, but because of his dozens of domestic contributions ..
    LOL....I'd say the Hardcore CONs in the GOP loath Nixon as he was the last of the moderate Republicans. To this day one of the CON's favorite 'E-Vile' agencies is the EPA, which Nixon started. After Nixon strident Ideology replaced pragmatic business sense. Greedy became good and society was a page in the Sunday paper....

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    You won't have to wait long, because I already had it, or else I wouldn't have asked td to provide it for us.

    But the burden of proof is td's, because he's the one who made the ridiculous claim about the upper 5% paying most of the total federal income taxes collected.

    And we're waiting for him to cite it for us. . .

    . . .although, this is a historic moment for td--has actually cited something, albeit the wrong document, but something, which is a first for him.
    So you agree 'Your link doesn't say anything specifically about the rate table including payroll taxes (please point it out if I missed it)' as was YOUR assertion.

    And no, when YOU make assertions the burden of proof is on YOU...TD's was a different assertion...but of course you don't agree and have yet failed to support that payroll taxes ARE income taxes...it seems the IRS disagrees with you...?
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I couldn't care less. the payroll "taxes" as you call them are supposed to be used for benefits for the tax payer.
    The federal govt. claims all taxes are used for the benefit of the taxpayer. How is the payroll tax any different?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the Federal Income tax does not result in any proportionate benefits for the tax payer. Many "taxpayers" pay almost no Federal Income Tax but do pay social security "tax" medicare "tax" etc which they allegedly benefit from.
    Really? Explain to us what this "alleged benefit" is and how it's different from any other federal tax.

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