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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop lying. Payroll taxes are not included as Federal Income taxes. Your rants about Limbaugh are just plain pavlovian nonsense.
    A tax is a tax is a tax is a tax.

    Pretending that ones FICA taxes are NOT a tax is the lie. But don't believe me - here is a verifiable source for the evidence

    Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax

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    [2] —federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, the disabled, and children of deceased workers. Social Security benefits include old-age, survivors, and disability insurance (OASDI); Medicare provides hospital insurance benefits for the elderly. The amount that one pays in payroll taxes throughout one's working career is associated indirectly with the social security benefits annuity that one receives as a retiree.[citation needed] This has caused some to claim that the payroll tax is not a tax because its collection is tied to a benefit.[3]

    the far right tries to create a dishonest and fraudulent stage on which to discuss the issue of taxation when they attempt to exclude FICA taxes from the discussion. As we all know, the wealthy pay a very tiny portion of their income in FICA tax while average workers pay proportionately hundreds of times more in percentage of income than many millionaires do.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Uh, no. Any monies taken from an individual involuntarily by his/her govt. based on his income is an income tax. The fact that those monies are redistributed, or that the govt. claims it will be (which no sensible person would trust) is irrelevant.

    Furthermore, any claim on the equitability of the federal tax system (i. e. the notion that the upper 5% pay the most taxes) would only be credible if it were based on the total federal tax burden incurred by everyone, NOT just a portion of that tax.

    Claiming that the upper 5% pays the most taxes by excluding that portion of the tax bill incurred mostly by the lower 95% is therefore meaningless, i. e. something rush limbaugh would say.

    HINT.
    that's just plain stupid. the rich have a far higher total tax burden in terms of actual dollars

    game set match and don't fail with the idiotic Limbaugh nonsense again



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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Perhaps you should look at this before you consider the tpers to be anything but nonsense. . .

    Tea Party loses a top voice with Bachmann departure
    Like I said...there are some who spout ultra-right nonsense. Tell me, has she ever had any influence in Congress? What has she ever done besides talk?

    In any event, did you read that link I gave? How does their stated aims compare to your ultra-left nonsense? Who should one believe...them, stating their objectives...or you? Hmmm?
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    [QUOTE=solletica;1062447651]Now, see? I know you have a problem understanding what you read when you get past the headline, but you really should take the time to read that article.

    Nowhere has Tea Party Nation suggested that Obama is a Muslim Radical.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh look, it's a constitutionalist who hasn't read the constitution.
    anytime you want to take me on, feel free to do so.

    as for reading the constitution, federalist papers, letters of the founders, works of the founders, ..yes I have read much.....have you?

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Fundamentally, Tea Party wants reduced government size, scope and power...and that's pretty much it. Oh, for sure, there are isolated people from the Tea Party who spout off with ultra-right nonsense, but they don't have any real power or influence with the rest of them.

    Now, you...with all your drivel about supply-side economics and racism...well, let's just say that I see you as someone spouting off with ultra-left nonsense.

    Perhaps this link will help you understand them. Tea Party Movement Platform I don't see anything in there about supply-side economics or racism.
    For dog sake, number 1 in their platform is all about supplyside economics. It's the idea that the government can reduce taxes and bring in more revenue from taxes. Bush 2 destroyed that notion for good!

    Clearly the US is not taxing enough but there are various reasons for that. Tax shelters, backroom deals, exemptions for the wealthy, you name it, it's being used. It's going to bankrupt your government enough so that social programs which are necessary in a modern first wold society are eliminated and that's when the kickback from the ordinary joe begins.

    And it's pretty clear that the baggers don't understand who it is that isn't paying enough taxes. Dog knows they think they're paying too much. Your political system has fixed it so the wealthy just aren't paying their fair share anymore. That's the easy part to figure out.

    As for racism amongst the baggers, that's been well demonstrated so no amount of denial is going to erase the fact. You're right about there being ultra-righters within the tea baggers. There is just not a will to get shod of them because they can't afford to right now. They need all the fringe support from extremists and racists they can get.

    I've seen this all before with Canada's reform party. They refused to clean house and that led to their fracturing and defeat at the polls. The same will happen to the baggers because there is nothing cohesive enough to hold them together after the racist element is defanged with the end of Obama.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    I see where this is going, so why don't you address the point.....
    LOL - you "see where this is going" so you don't answer the question.
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    No one has done more to raise the debt to GDP ratio, than Reagan and the Bush's.
    ...and no one has raised it to higher levels than Obama.
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    Prior to Obama, who was dealt absolute crap and who has contributed 10% to the debt to GDP ratio compared to an increase of 70% between Reagan and the Bush's.
    Funny, I never heard Obama complaining about "the hand he was dealt." Frankly, what he needs is people apologizing for the crappy way he's been playing his hand since.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Further evidence of this commingling is now people believe that social security is an area we can reign in, calling it broke, even though it is fully funded 15 years out....
    Funny how the SSA quit sending out the annual statements showing how much you have contributed and what you should expect to receive when retired. Everyone I got came with a warning on the statement to the effect that you may not receive what they expect to pay you because enough money may not be available.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop lying. Payroll taxes are not included as Federal Income taxes.
    True or false. Do the income tax rates quoted by the IRS include the payroll tax?

    2013 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2013

    Tell us, boy.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    For dog sake, number 1 in their platform is all about supplyside economics. It's the idea that the government can reduce taxes and bring in more revenue from taxes. Bush 2 destroyed that notion for good!

    Clearly the US is not taxing enough but there are various reasons for that. Tax shelters, backroom deals, exemptions for the wealthy, you name it, it's being used. It's going to bankrupt your government enough so that social programs which are necessary in a modern first wold society are eliminated and that's when the kickback from the ordinary joe begins.

    And it's pretty clear that the baggers don't understand who it is that isn't paying enough taxes. Dog knows they think they're paying too much. Your political system has fixed it so the wealthy just aren't paying their fair share anymore. That's the easy part to figure out.

    As for racism amongst the baggers, that's been well demonstrated so no amount of denial is going to erase the fact. You're right about there being ultra-righters within the tea baggers. There is just not a will to get shod of them because they can't afford to right now. They need all the fringe support from extremists and racists they can get.

    I've seen this all before with Canada's reform party. They refused to clean house and that led to their fracturing and defeat at the polls. The same will happen to the baggers because there is nothing cohesive enough to hold them together after the racist element is defanged with the end of Obama.

    This is free advice so ignore it if you like.
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    Yes, you are right. Thanks for telling me. Now I have TWO reasons to ignore your blather...ultra-left nonsense...coming from a Canadian.
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