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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Americans also go to Canada for care.

    Australia, Japan, Germany, France, and Sweden all have shorter wait times overall.

    Canada has been rapidly improving their wait times, I'm not sure we're even still beating them there.
    Correct! It's now a tossup on whose wait times are longer. Canada's or the US's?

    But that's the only argument that US big business has ever had against universal health care. No other argument was valid. It's a good reason why they won't give it up easily.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I think you have an unrealistic view of the Tea Party.
    And I think I see it for what it really is. The roots are in supplyside economics and it has only flourished with support from the middle class and poor because of racist hate for Obama. In fact, it's a marriage made in hell of supplysiders and people who will quickly come to understand that is not a choice for ordinary people.

    The racist faction is huge with the bagger parties and that hasn't been hidden very well at all. It's only partially hidden with weak protests of denial. If they really wanted to stay faithful to an agenda of some sort of economics they would have nipped the racism in the bud. They didn't because they knew all along that it would alienate far too much of their support.

    That's understanding it! All that's left is the debate on whether or not it can succeed with that sort of background motivation. I believe that neither racism or supplyside economics can ever be a recipe for success.

    And how do you understand it?

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Look up the Murray Blessing Study, as I originally quoted. Don't read selectively.
    You said that historians argue about who is more Liberal, Washington, or Lincoln.

    Post a link to those docs, or just admit that you lied through your teeth about the whole issue. Thanks...case closed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    It appears you are having trouble discerning between payroll taxes and income taxes...this will help:

    Understanding Taxes - Module 1: Payroll Taxes and Federal Income Tax Withholding
    Payroll taxes are an income tax, by definition, because they're a tax based on income .

    If that isn't clear enough, the federal income tax rates quoted each year by the IRS incorporates the payroll tax. . .

    2013 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2013

    The fact that the federal govt. splits the income tax into payroll taxes and a "federal withholding tax" is irrelevant. As a famous Founding Father of the Constitution once said, and as any Libertarian worth her salt knows, a tax is a tax.

    Finally, td doesn't need any help from you; he's perfectly capable of sounding hilarious by himself w/his inability to back up anything he posts, including and up to his latest "95%" fantasy, which he got from his official (and only) source. . .

    Last edited by solletica; 10-20-13 at 03:41 PM.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    absolutely, I made it as clear as possible. and "payroll taxes" are claimed to be forced savings contributions etc, not "taxes" per se.
    Uh, no. Any monies taken from an individual involuntarily by his/her govt. based on his income is an income tax. The fact that those monies are redistributed, or that the govt. claims it will be (which no sensible person would trust) is irrelevant.

    Furthermore, any claim on the equitability of the federal tax system (i. e. the notion that the upper 5% pay the most taxes) would only be credible if it were based on the total federal tax burden incurred by everyone, NOT just a portion of that tax.

    Claiming that the upper 5% pays the most taxes by excluding that portion of the tax bill incurred mostly by the lower 95% is therefore meaningless, i. e. something rush limbaugh would say.

    HINT.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yes, but I provided a source...

    Hopefully the IRS is reliable enough...
    Yes, "Libertarian" Dickieboy definitely trusts the IRS to actually give the money back taken in payroll taxes.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    And I think I see it for what it really is. The roots are in supplyside economics and it has only flourished with support from the middle class and poor because of racist hate for Obama. In fact, it's a marriage made in hell of supplysiders and people who will quickly come to understand that is not a choice for ordinary people.

    The racist faction is huge with the bagger parties and that hasn't been hidden very well at all. It's only partially hidden with weak protests of denial. If they really wanted to stay faithful to an agenda of some sort of economics they would have nipped the racism in the bud. They didn't because they knew all along that it would alienate far too much of their support.

    That's understanding it! All that's left is the debate on whether or not it can succeed with that sort of background motivation. I believe that neither racism or supplyside economics can ever be a recipe for success.

    And how do you understand it?
    Fundamentally, Tea Party wants reduced government size, scope and power...and that's pretty much it. Oh, for sure, there are isolated people from the Tea Party who spout off with ultra-right nonsense, but they don't have any real power or influence with the rest of them.

    Now, you...with all your drivel about supply-side economics and racism...well, let's just say that I see you as someone spouting off with ultra-left nonsense.

    Perhaps this link will help you understand them. http://www.teaparty-platform.com I don't see anything in there about supply-side economics or racism.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Limbaugh isn't like Palin in that he is smart enough to modify and temper his message to make it suit the times. He obviously will have to as the bagger movement begins to struggle more to exist. With Bush3 taking on Cruz it's obvious that the invitation to the fight is out there now. Too early for the baggers because they just don't have the power yet. Chances are they never will now because Cruz decided to go for all the marbles way too early.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Limbaugh isn't like Palin in that he is smart enough to modify and temper his message to make it suit the times. He obviously will have to as the bagger movement begins to struggle more to exist. With Bush3 taking on Cruz it's obvious that the invitation to the fight is out there now. Too early for the baggers because they just don't have the power yet. Chances are they never will now because Cruz decided to go for all the marbles way too early.
    Limbaugh is the Commander-in-Chief of all GOP voters. His mind is their mind.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Fundamentally, Tea Party wants reduced government size, scope and power...and that's pretty much it.
    WRONG. Libertarians want reduced government size, scope, and power.

    teatards, OTOH, are just morons who like to play w/guns (i. e. support the 2nd Amendment) but otherwise favor large, wasteful, federal budgets to bomb the gummint's manufactured boogeymen in the ME as well as well as a large big-brotherish nanny state that supervises reproductive tracts and bedrooms.

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