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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    I don't think waiting 6 weeks for an MRI works. And I have no problem preventing even more socialism in this country. ITs already ruining this country
    Then you've never had to wait to see a specialist in this country were it can take twice as long unless you have the cash to pay upfront for it. Which is exactly why our system is highly broken. There is no reason for it.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    same with dermatologists. I have had a BCC and get 6 month screenings. I missed one due to illness and I couldn't get back in for 2 months. I don't see how Obamacare will prevent that given some doctors are quitting as a result of the bureaucracy
    Wait times have nothing to do with it. Which is why you were foolish to argue that waiting for a mri has something to do with single payer systems.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I get tired of people telling us we ought to be like eurosocialist nations I lived near the Canadian Border at one time. I was also a professional athlete. Peers of mine from Canada would come to the states to get stuff like MRIs quickly
    Americans also go to Canada for care.

    Australia, Japan, Germany, France, and Sweden all have shorter wait times overall.

    Canada has been rapidly improving their wait times, I'm not sure we're even still beating them there.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I get tired of people telling us we ought to be like eurosocialist nations I lived near the Canadian Border at one time. I was also a professional athlete. Peers of mine from Canada would come to the states to get stuff like MRIs quickly
    Once again, the "I have a friend" argument. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence in an intelligent argument. I thought you were an attorney? Obviously not a trial attorney or you would know better.

    Yes, the US has far more MRI devices, so access is easier (and more expensive). It does not mean there is something wrong with the Canadian system. The main argument for the Canadian system is that delivery of healthcare services is cheaper and more equitable than that of the US. The main argument against the US system is the most expensive in world and access to the system is not distributed equitably.

    So, to add real evidence to the discussion, note the attached poll conducted by Gallup, albeit about 10 years ago, concerning the satisfaction of citizens with their healthcare system.

    Healthcare System Ratings: U.S., Great Britain, Canada

    Note that in Canada, 57% of the population is Very Satisfied or Somewhat Satisfied, in contrast to only 25% of Americans. On the dissatisfied side, 42% of Canadians are dissatisfied, compared to 72% of Americans. The polls is pretty conclusive that Canadians are happier with their healthcare than Americans.

    Obviously 42% of Canadians are not happy, so you have plenty of Canadians to draw upon to find more misleading anecdotes.

    http://www.nber.org/bah/fall07/w13429.html

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    And, that still doesnt' change the fact they were liberal during their time. Just because certain ideologies change as society matures doesn't make it less liberal or that person less liberal during their time frame of life. Nearly all of our founding fathers were liberals especially when they became President. They did things, many things outside of the Constitution and some of the time it was for the better, others not so much.

    The Murray-Blessing 1982 survey would be the one I'm referring to, roughly 1,997 requests were sent out to all of the then current Ph.D Historians in the US.

    On top of this:

    Lincoln was the first President to pass an income tax into law. He ended slavery. He also signed the Homestead Act in 1862, making millions of acres of government-held land in the West available for purchase at very low cost. The Morrill Land-Grant Colleges Act, also signed in 1862, provided government grants for agricultural colleges in each state. The Pacific Railway Acts of 1862 and 1864 granted federal support for the construction of the United States’ First Transcontinental Railroad, which was completed in 1869. He also modernized America’s economic, communications, and financial infrastructure.

    I could go on and on, but you should get the idea by now.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    2013 is not 2009-2012..
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see the links to those historians that argue that Lincoln and Washington were Leftists. We're waiting...
    Look up the Murray Blessing Study, as I originally quoted. Don't read selectively.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    The reason why the baggers are unlikely to be successful is not because of Dems fighting against them. It's because too many very wealthy businessmen in America have too much at stake. Their interest is in 'not' bringing about a large change in the system.

    And so, if bagger extremism succeeded in part the backlash would be so great that it would empower the ordinary people to fight back and bring about real change. That would be exceedingly dangerous for the status quo.

    The baggers will be destroyed by Republican interests from within. Big business will fund the fight. And when Obama is gone their motivation will disappear for the most part and it will be a very much reduced movement that will become the fringe again with support from the traditional fringe leaders such as Rand Paul.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    The reason why the baggers are unlikely to be successful is not because of Dems fighting against them. It's because too many very wealthy businessmen in America have too much at stake. Their interest is in 'not' bringing about a large change in the system.

    And so, if bagger extremism succeeded in part the backlash would be so great that it would empower the ordinary people to fight back and bring about real change. That would be exceedingly dangerous for the status quo.

    The baggers will be destroyed by Republican interests from within. Big business will fund the fight. And when Obama is gone their motivation will disappear for the most part and it will be a very much reduced movement that will become the fringe again with support from the traditional fringe leaders such as Rand Paul.
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