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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    So... let me get this straight: you think that as soon as Obama is not our President anymore, the national debt will begin shrinking, the idiotic and harmful legislative disasters like the ACA will begin suddenly make sense, the lethal drones will turn into a robotic equivalent of Marry Poppins, etc, etc?

    Well, excuse my lack of reverence, but I sincerely don't think our current President is all that magical powerful or all that caricature-evil.

    Just relax for a moment and allow the possibility that this is not all about Obama and especially not about concentration of melanin in his epidermis. Because - honesty - nobody I personally know cares about THAT in the least. And many of us are pretty much "tea baggers" - by deed or by inclination.
    What I really think is that the drones and the rest of it will become totally acceptable to Americans after Obama is gone. It always was, an to a much higher degree than now.

    The fact is, the tea baggers have revealed their racist tendencies over and over again in their political demonstrations on the streets. They have done it to a degree that denial is just not possible anymore.

    Obama is a black president that is seen as attempting to elevate the miserable lot of blacks in your country. That's not his only purpose but it's being seen by his detractors as being so. And so, even though I don't expect honesty from you, that's no reason why I shouldn't be totally honest about what it's about.

    When Obama is gone, things will change abruptly. The lot of the black people of America will most likely be put on the back burner for a time at least and there will be a moderate degree of political peace.

    The reason I know this will happen is because the bagger agenda is based on intangibles that are impossible to be the agenda items of the ordinary American. It's only because of racist hate that the Koch brothers and their ilk have been able to capture the undying support of the little guy.

    I've seen it happen in a somewhat similar way in my own country with the REform party. It became a marriage made in hell of extremists from both the left and the right. It died because they didn't have anything in common other than an irrational hate based on them being coopted into believing in the agenda of the wealthy. The tea bagger agenda will likewise die too when the hate fades away back into the closets of the southerners.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So they came up with the name Taxed Enough Already as a cover story for Get Blacky?I'm pretty sure its a complaint about policy that pushes for more social spending by increasing taxes.

    What's the solution to the budget deficit? Spend more money and increase taxes
    What's the solution to social issue X? Spend more money and increase taxes
    What's the solution to fixing healthcare.gov? Spend more money and increase taxes.
    One question: Where was the Tea Party before 2008?
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    One question: Where was the Tea Party before 2008?
    They didn't give a **** because somebody was cutting their taxes. They didn't give a **** in the 90s because "everybody" was riding the wave. Elected GHWB in 89 on a promise of no new taxes, he raised them, and got tossed. Didn't care in the 80s because of cut taxes and focus on the Reds.

    Its pretty simple really.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Nonsense. The tea party movement is a direct outgrowth of the Ron Paul Revolution.
    We're having some massive delusions of grandeur - aren't we? Prove it.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    They didn't give a **** because somebody was cutting their taxes.
    Lol, nonsense. Clinton raised taxes, so did Bush, so did Reagan. Name a SINGLE president who hasn't raised a taxes or created a new one? You can't.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't think those things will happen, but I would be willing to bet real money that if a GOP president is elected in 2016 the tea party will remain "vocal" all the while voting for the GOP like the right did with Bush. They "said" the didn't like the spending, but voted for him again.
    Well, who exactly are you talking about?

    Tea parties did not exist as such until Feb 2009 or so. Their libertarian (mostly Paulite) predecessors had no representation in the Congress with the sole true exception of Ron Paul himself, and a couple of partial exceptions. Politicians they have promoted - from Chris Christie to Justin Amash - were not in the office. Since they've got into the office, their overall record was actually surprisingly decent.

    Of course, there are always pests like Michelle Bachmann - opportunists who promote themselves as "leaders of the movement", while their record shows complete indifference to the "movement"'s goals (at best). But they have never been associated - in any quality - with any actual tea parties - the grassroots organizations on county and lower levels. Take any "socially conservative", anti-immigrant or militaristic demagogue claiming to be a "tea partier" - and it's every time almost exactly the same story: An impostor promoted by the likes of MSNBC and FOX.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, nonsense. Clinton raised taxes, so did Bush, so did Reagan. Name a SINGLE president who hasn't raised a taxes or created a new one? You can't.
    It appears you missed some of my previous post.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    The 'big money push' behind the tea parties is nothing more than the enlistment of the endemic racist hate of simpleminded ordinary Americans in order to do the bidding of the wealthy.

    It won't be at the wealthy's disposal when Obama is finished.

    They'll need to find a new cause and it will likely be something to do with upholding the constitution. That will fail because the 'constitution b.s. will fade into the background again where it was before Obama. All the three corner hats will be put back in the closets and only taken out for costume parties or Hallowe'en.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem is the Tea Party movement was never about that. It was a direct reaction to Obama's election. They had no problem with growing debt for 30 years. They suddenly have a problem with it when Obama gets elected.
    The Tea Party hasn't existed for 30 years.

    You need to stop using Obama's race as cover for his incompetance.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    As for the debt, looking at the last 30 years worth of increases:
    83-93 -- 3 trillion
    93-03 -- 2.8 trillion
    03-13 -- 10 trillion ( 7 trillion of which has happened since 08 )
    So what you're saying is that you would have been fine with 3 more trillion in debt but not 7?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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