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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh...so you blame the GOP because a Democrat killed single payer. Isn't that kind of like saying it's all Obama's fault that the GOP keep trying to kill Obamacare?
    Hes from the conservative south, calls himself conservative and is part of a conservative political group "Blue Dog Collation" its the same people who supported racism during the 1950s. Sorry, but that doesn't make him a liberal, which is usually what Democrats are.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're the only one making things up, my friend.
    I can't help it if you don't know where the US lies on the actual political spectrum, but our most liberal President is kind of a toss up between Lincoln and Washington. Historians disagree as to which was the most liberal in their time, Obama isn't even on the radar.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, Obama IS a supporter of...and has pushed for...single payer health insurance. Here, watch this:




    Now...is Obama willing to not get single payer if it suits his agenda? Sure he is. The only reason he went along with Obamacare is because his own Party wasn't ready to move ahead with single payer.

    So, yes...Obama is a liberal.
    Have you ever seen in the movies where ransom notes are made from words cut from a newspaper? Well, that's what that right-wing video reminds me of. Of course the problem with implementing anything like single payer is the insurance companies buy the politicians.

    There are other reasons to believe Obama is not as liberal as you may think he is. He appears to be all too willing to give up areas in the social safety net such SS and Medicare that are dear to liberals as bargaining chips. He might be a great poker player but one cannot be too sure.

    He has also followed many of policies put in place by GWB.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Hes from the conservative south, calls himself conservative and is part of a conservative political group "Blue Dog Collation" its the same people who supported racism during the 1950s. Sorry, but that doesn't make him a liberal, which is usually what Democrats are.
    So what?

    All you said is true...but it also doesn't make him a Republican.

    As I said, the Republicans did not kill single payer...Democrats did.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Have you ever seen in the movies where ransom notes are made from words cut from a newspaper? Well, that's what that right-wing video reminds me of. Of course the problem with implementing anything like single payer is the insurance companies buy the politicians.

    There are other reasons to believe Obama is not as liberal as you may think he is. He appears to be all too willing to give up areas in the social safety net such SS and Medicare that are dear to liberals as bargaining chips. He might be a great poker player but one cannot be too sure.

    He has also followed many of policies put in place by GWB.
    shrug...

    Just because he's DONE things that liberals like you don't like, doesn't mean he's not a liberal. It just means he's willing to make deals...he's willing to forgo his agenda when it suits him politically.

    All you have to do is listen to and read the things he's said over the years...especially when he campaigned.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    shrug...

    Just because he's DONE things that liberals like you don't like, doesn't mean he's not a liberal. It just means he's willing to make deals...he's willing to forgo his agenda when it suits him politically.

    All you have to do is listen to and read the things he's said over the years...especially when he campaigned.
    • In February 2004, about a month before the primary election in the U.S. Senate race, the Associated Press reported the stance of all the candidates on universal health care. "Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible. He says the government should be the health care provider of last resort for the uninsured." In a rundown of all the candidates' positions, the Associated Press summarized Obama's position as "Support, but 'probably not at this stage,' a single-payer government system."
    • In his book The Audacity of Hope , published in October 2006 when he was a U.S. senator, Obama described single-payer as the hope of the left, while those on the right wanted a market-based approach. "It's time we broke this impasse by acknowledging a few simple truths," Obama wrote, suggesting a system much like the one he supports today.
    • In April 2007, a few months after he declared his candidacy for presidency, the Chicago Tribune reported, "Obama has pledged that, if elected, all Americans would have health-care coverage by the end of his first term. He has said he is reluctant to switch to a 'single-payer' national health insurance system because of the difficulty in making a quick transition from the employer-based private system."
    • At his town halls as president, he routinely answers questions about single-payer by saying he would favor it if he were starting a system "from scratch." But he consistently adds that's not the goal of the current reform. "For us to transition completely from an employer-based system of private insurance to a single-payer system could be hugely disruptive, and my attitude has been that we should be able to find a way to create a uniquely American solution to this problem that controls costs but preserves the innovation that is introduced in part with a free-market system," Obama said in Annandale, Va., on July 1, 2009.


    PolitiFact | Obama statements on single-payer have changed a bit

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So what?

    All you said is true...but it also doesn't make him a Republican.

    As I said, the Republicans did not kill single payer...Democrats did.
    If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, its a horse?
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, its a horse?
    LOL!!

    Okay. I see that self-identified labels mean nothing to you. I expect that the next time McCain or Snow push through some kind of legislation or kill some other legislation, you will hold true to your beliefs and say the Democrats did it.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    • In February 2004, about a month before the primary election in the U.S. Senate race, the Associated Press reported the stance of all the candidates on universal health care. "Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible. He says the government should be the health care provider of last resort for the uninsured." In a rundown of all the candidates' positions, the Associated Press summarized Obama's position as "Support, but 'probably not at this stage,' a single-payer government system."
    • In his book The Audacity of Hope , published in October 2006 when he was a U.S. senator, Obama described single-payer as the hope of the left, while those on the right wanted a market-based approach. "It's time we broke this impasse by acknowledging a few simple truths," Obama wrote, suggesting a system much like the one he supports today.
    • In April 2007, a few months after he declared his candidacy for presidency, the Chicago Tribune reported, "Obama has pledged that, if elected, all Americans would have health-care coverage by the end of his first term. He has said he is reluctant to switch to a 'single-payer' national health insurance system because of the difficulty in making a quick transition from the employer-based private system."
    • At his town halls as president, he routinely answers questions about single-payer by saying he would favor it if he were starting a system "from scratch." But he consistently adds that's not the goal of the current reform. "For us to transition completely from an employer-based system of private insurance to a single-payer system could be hugely disruptive, and my attitude has been that we should be able to find a way to create a uniquely American solution to this problem that controls costs but preserves the innovation that is introduced in part with a free-market system," Obama said in Annandale, Va., on July 1, 2009.


    PolitiFact | Obama statements on single-payer have changed a bit
    Ummm...

    Okay. Thank you for making my point.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So they came up with the name Taxed Enough Already as a cover story for Get Blacky?
    50 years earlier, their ideological brethren came up with "State Rights" as a cover for Get Blacky, so why not?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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