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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    The problem is the Tea Party movement was never about that. It was a direct reaction to Obama's election. They had no problem with growing debt for 30 years. They suddenly have a problem with it when Obama gets elected.
    At the core, this 'movement' was always about race.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    Oh, and things were booming under the Libbos and would boom again, if only eveeryone would get out of Obama's way? Surely you jest!
    Ahhh, 'Libbos'! You can always tell the comments that follow will be in depth and interesting when the word 'libbos' is used.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    How's it goning to go for the Dems when Obamacare flops?
    Keep fantasizing! I like it when you guys divorce yourselves totally from reality.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    Keep fantasizing! I like it when you guys divorce yourselves totally from reality.
    You have 29 million people to sign up before December 15. So far, you've signed 30 thousand. Do the math.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    You have 29 million people to sign up before December 15. So far, you've signed 30 thousand. Do the math.
    I have always said the fate of the ACA will be decided by those who already had health insurance. Whether they think after the full implementation of the ACA which looks like a full year away now whether what they have then is better or worse than under the old system. I just looked at RCP which complies an average of 6 polls concerning the health care law. Today that average is 48.8 against the ACA 38.3 in favor of the ACA.

    But what is most notable besides the ten point gap showing most people still against it, is for the first time since the ACA was passed, the average percentage against has dropped below 50%. Back before the election of 2010 the margin was 58% against to 32% in favor which was huge 26% gap and the Democrats paid the price losing 63 house seats and 6 senate seat by pushing a law the vast majority of American's didn't want.

    But let's go back to Sep 30 before the government shutdown over the defunding rider. the average showed 52.5% against the ACA and 37.9% in favor. a 14 point plus advantage against the law. So the shutdown actually helped the ACA among the American people shrinking the gap from 14 to 10. Being this is an average of six polls, the numbers will not wildly swing if we just took one. It also gives a more actuate picture of how Americans still view the ACA. If one wants or cares enough they can also go inside these polls to see how Republicans, Democrats and Independents view the law along with a ton of other information.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have always said the fate of the ACA will be decided by those who already had health insurance. Whether they think after the full implementation of the ACA which looks like a full year away now whether what they have then is better or worse than under the old system. I just looked at RCP which complies an average of 6 polls concerning the health care law. Today that average is 48.8 against the ACA 38.3 in favor of the ACA.

    But what is most notable besides the ten point gap showing most people still against it, is for the first time since the ACA was passed, the average percentage against has dropped below 50%. Back before the election of 2010 the margin was 58% against to 32% in favor which was huge 26% gap and the Democrats paid the price losing 63 house seats and 6 senate seat by pushing a law the vast majority of American's didn't want.

    But let's go back to Sep 30 before the government shutdown over the defunding rider. the average showed 52.5% against the ACA and 37.9% in favor. a 14 point plus advantage against the law. So the shutdown actually helped the ACA among the American people shrinking the gap from 14 to 10. Being this is an average of six polls, the numbers will not wildly swing if we just took one. It also gives a more actuate picture of how Americans still view the ACA. If one wants or cares enough they can also go inside these polls to see how Republicans, Democrats and Independents view the law along with a ton of other information.
    What's going to happen when uninsured people get smacked with a fine, because the website is a piece of ****?
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

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    Like slavery? That Liberal policy?

    Seriously! You should stop while you only look silly.

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    Liberal for the time frame yes, we made a few mistakes in the founding but that doesn't make it somehow less than what it was. I'm sure you've heard of Lockean Liberalism, as a society we've just become more liberal and not for the worse as you seem to think.
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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem is the Tea Party movement was never about that. It was a direct reaction to Obama's election. They had no problem with growing debt for 30 years. They suddenly have a problem with it when Obama gets elected.
    To be fair, I remember when the Tea Party protested in GW's term . . . against pretty much all incumbents. Now, that's not to say the Tea Party has morphed into something very different from its infancy.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Liberal for the time frame yes, we made a few mistakes in the founding but that doesn't make it somehow less than what it was. I'm sure you've heard of Lockean Liberalism, as a society we've just become more liberal and not for the worse as you seem to think.
    Classic Liberals believe in limited government. Leftists want more government. They're not the same and the country is a long way from being mostly Left Wing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: The Republican civil war is just getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Classic Liberals believe in limited government. Leftists want more government. They're not the same and the country is a long way from being mostly Left Wing.
    Again making up catch phrases doesn't help your standing, it'd be interesting what you'd do if you actually encountered a liberal and not a US labeled one.

    Obama is no where near the liberal you think he is, which is pretty amusing concept to the rest of the world.
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