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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    So they're going to put another Obama lacky in to run our border defense. Just great.
    A story from Fox News. I'm stunned that they would have something critical of the President. This just in for all of you right wing extremists that apparently weren't paying attention last November. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

    One of those consequences is that they get to appoint whomever the hell they want for these kinds of positions. Unless it can be demonstrably proven that the guy is manifestly unqualified for the position, which nothing so far suggests that, then the Republicans ought to quit playing their stupid 'gotcha' games and confirm the guy.
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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

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    Really? Seriously? Guess that judge who threw out the name Messiah wasn't around when he was born.
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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    Well, if that right wing nutbag Cornyn is opposing his nomination, this guy must be pretty good.
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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    A story from Fox News. I'm stunned that they would have something critical of the President. This just in for all of you right wing extremists that apparently weren't paying attention last November. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

    One of those consequences is that they get to appoint whomever the hell they want for these kinds of positions. Unless it can be demonstrably proven that the guy is manifestly unqualified for the position, which nothing so far suggests that, then the Republicans ought to quit playing their stupid 'gotcha' games and confirm the guy.
    No surprise from you, all you have are your election day talking point. Here's the dirty little secret, lots of people were elected on Election Day, not just your personal savior. Get over it. I doubt you shut you hole up and sat down the day Bush was re-elected.
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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    A story from Fox News. I'm stunned that they would have something critical of the President. This just in for all of you right wing extremists that apparently weren't paying attention last November. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

    One of those consequences is that they get to appoint whomever the hell they want for these kinds of positions. Unless it can be demonstrably proven that the guy is manifestly unqualified for the position, which nothing so far suggests that, then the Republicans ought to quit playing their stupid 'gotcha' games and confirm the guy.
    I'm admittedly just a Canadian, but doesn't a cabinet position such as DHS Secretary require Senate approval? Isn't this one of those appointments where you don't necessarily get to "appoint whomever the hell they want" but usually the President's choice is respected?

    In addition, I love when liberals say "elections have consequences" and then out of the other side of their mouth moan and groan because the Republican led House doesn't do whatever King Obama wants.
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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Doesnt look like a great choice.
    Obama has proven that he does not have a good eye for talent
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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    I give the guy a chance. Just because he gave some money to Obama and some other Democrats IMO is not a disqualify. That seems to be what most Republicans are upset about. I don't have a problem with that and from reading a bit of his history, he deserves a shot.
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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    How exactly is a lawyer well qualified to run a agency tasked with defending the homeland? What about writing legal breifs makes someone a manager, a security expert, etc? Napolitano was a bad pick, this is much worse. This is like making a budget bureaucrat in charge of the entire countries intelligence operation.






    Wouldnt the acting secretary be more qualified?
    1. Probably.

    2. Look on the bright side. If we are attacked, he'd probably be great at writing the legal brief protesting the attack!

    3. Why not appoint Sheriff Arpaio if he's serious about border security? I know, I know, wrong eye color, right?

    Since Jeh is a friend of BHO, he doubtless thinks like BHO, so there goes any thought about controlling illegal immigration! : He'll probably have big "welcome" signs posted instead.

    Greetings, Jonny5.

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    Re: Obama’s DHS pick a major Democratic donor, senators question credentials

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    How exactly is a lawyer well qualified to run a agency tasked with defending the homeland? What about writing legal breifs makes someone a manager, a security expert, etc? Napolitano was a bad pick, this is much worse. This is like making a budget bureaucrat in charge of the entire countries intelligence operation.

    (b) Mission

    (1) In General. - The primary mission of the Department is to

    (A) prevent terrorist attacks within the United States;

    (B) reduce the vulnerability of the United States to terrorism; and

    (C) minimize the damage, and assist in the recovery, from terrorist attacks that do occur within the United States."
    Wouldnt the acting secretary be more qualified?
    Not sure where you retrieved the mission criteria for DHS from (I assume it was from the law that created the agency), but the core roles as outlined at dhs.gov are:

    The Core Missions

    There are five homeland security missions:

    1.Prevent terrorism and enhancing security;

    2.Secure and manage our borders;

    3.Enforce and administer our immigration laws;

    4.Safeguard and secure cyberspace;

    5.Ensure resilience to disasters.
    #3 is where being an experienced lawyer would certainly come into play. Seems all other core responsibilities would fall under having "sound management skills".

    I could understand if people would prefer having someone with an intelligence background holding the Sec, DHS position based on items 1 and 2, but if you limit the scope of experience in that way wouldn't that also mean the individual would also require a background in IT security and previously held the position of FEMA at least at the state level somewhere?

    Since "capture and hold" individuals who violate our national security, immigration and cyber-security laws seem to be the focus of the Sec, DHS position, it makes sense to find someone with a strong legal background to put in the position.

    You can read more about DHS at their website, Homeland Security.

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