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Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143:248]

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MaggieD said:
Another thing that bothers me about this exchange is the fact that it takes insurance salespeople out of the mix. The greater majority of people need someone to interpret insurance legalese. Even though these programs are supposed to be idiot proof? When I was able to briefly view options, they were confusing to me. I've learned that if I'm confused, the greater majority of people are as well.

Insurance salespeople are able to cut through the baloney and compare features. There's a huge assumption being made that people are going to take the time and have the smarts to wade through the exchange and determine what policy is most advantageous for them. That, in my opinion, is a mistake.
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They have people via phone to assist and explain, that aren't expensive middlemen salesmen. So comparing buying insurance online to talking to an individual is disingenuous. Try talking to an individual and then compare.

As for the OP topic...
OH, horrors, you mean people who are using on-line forms aren't using them fully and correctly, which may or may not be on purpose (I have no doubt some folks are online just trying to f' with the system so it appears to have even more problems than it does). Gee who'd have figured that people who may never had insurance before, might not get everything perfect the first time out. Even those that had insurance before rarely had choices, being it was whatever the boss decided.
 
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j-mac said:
That is different....But you know that.
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Some posters don't deserve a response because their mind is already made up...
 
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j-mac said:
That is different....But you know that.
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Different than what? Are you unclear about what you are trying to argue?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Some posters don't deserve a response because their mind is already made up...
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Oh...the irony!

I suppose next the argument will be that you don't have your mind "made up", that you have not come to some conclusion on a question.

Pfft.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Different than what? Are you unclear about what you are trying to argue?
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I won't go back to educate you...This argument has been around for three years now, I am sure you are a smart guy, and can follow the logic, when I say look it up.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Rights are inherent to the individual, not something another individual is forced to provide to another...
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Then how come others are paying or have paid for your police, your firemen, your roads, your electric grid, your dams, your military, your water system, your street lights, your childrens' schools and parks, ... you didn't provide all that individually. We all pay for the rights of all of us. For some reason though, being healthy has been determined not to be a right, but driving on paved roads is. Go figure.
 
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j-mac said:
I won't go back to educate you...This argument has been around for three years now, I am sure you are a smart guy, and can follow the logic, when I say look it up.
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You can't even be bothered to flesh out the arguments being made here or to explain what is "different".

The argument on the right to medical care is much older than "3 years".
 
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Summerwind said:
Then how come others are paying or have paid for your police, your firemen, your roads, your electric grid, your damns, your military, your water system, your street lights, your childrens' schools and parks, ... you didn't provide all that individually. We all pay for the rights of all of us. For some reason though, being healthy has been determined not to be a right, but driving is. Go figure.
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Do you have a right to any of these examples put forth?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Rights are inherent to the individual, not something another individual is forced to provide to another...
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And you're wrong again. Rights are granted to individuals and if they are not then individuals fight for rights. Or in other words, they fight for rights and force others to grant them rights. In Canada we fought for our right to good and affordable health care but we didn't have to resort to physical force. We forced our politicians to grant us our rights through the political process that is capitalism.

Americans will do the same some day but first they have to value themselves to the point of understanding that they too deserve affordable health care. At the moment they are under the illusion that your profess that is not understanding that they are worthy.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Do you have a right to any of these examples put forth?
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No but the govt has the power to compel us to pay for those services

Sort of like the way they have to power to compel us to pay for health insurance

You were saying?
 
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Michael66 said:
And you're wrong again. Rights are granted to individuals and if they are not then individuals fight for rights. Or in other words, they fight for rights and force others to grant them rights. In Canada we fought for our right to good and affordable health care but we didn't have to resort to physical force. We forced our politicians to grant us our rights through the political process that is capitalism.

Americans will do the same some day but first they have to value themselves to the point of understanding that they too deserve affordable health care. At the moment they are under the illusion that your profess that is not understanding that they are worthy.
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And in the US, we fought to live freely...
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You can't even be bothered to flesh out the arguments being made here or to explain what is "different".
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the topic of the thread is "Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges"... Do you have anything other than your diversion from the topic?

The argument on the right to medical care is much older than "3 years".
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That is for another thread as well, but suffice to say, there is NO right to medical care, and you can't show it to me either.
 
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It as if voting poll workers are "forced" to provide polling station operations.

The horror....the horror...
 
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j-mac said:
the topic of the thread is "Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges"... Do you have anything other than your diversion from the topic?



That is for another thread as well, but suffice to say, there is NO right to medical care, and you can't show it to me either.
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Oh wow, mod alert!

Report me, go on.
 
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Michael66 said:
And you're wrong again. Rights are granted to individuals and if they are not then individuals fight for rights. Or in other words, they fight for rights and force others to grant them rights. In Canada we fought for our right to good and affordable health care but we didn't have to resort to physical force. We forced our politicians to grant us our rights through the political process that is capitalism.

Americans will do the same some day but first they have to value themselves to the point of understanding that they too deserve affordable health care. At the moment they are under the illusion that your profess that is not understanding that they are worthy.
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I agree with one exception, Americans will do the same....but first they have to value EACH OTHER to the point... those that don't have and deserve, already value themselves but could not do much about it, and those that did/do have and deserve value themselves, it's the latter valuing the former that we have a problem with, greed and ME ME ME attitudes.
 
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The entire lot of Obamacare discussions are only begging the question of whether or not Americans are worthy of affordable health care. The rabid extreme right just doesn't think they are. It's no more complicated than that!

There are just too many Americans who want to place themselves in the ranks of second class citizens.

This has a lot to do with the fact that it's mostly blacks who don't have and Americans are still intent on keeping racial inequality intact.
 
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Michael66 said:
The entire lot of Obamacare discussions are only begging the question of whether or not Americans are worthy of affordable health care. The rabid extreme right just doesn't think they are. It's no more complicated than that!

There are just too many Americans who want to place themselves in the ranks of second class citizens.

This has a lot to do with the fact that it's mostly blacks who don't have and Americans are still intent on keeping racial inequality intact.
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Health care would be affordable if the government would get the hell out of it. Have you ever looked at an insurance reimbursement and seen what the fees doctors and hospitals are willing to accept when they can rely on prompt payment?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Health care would be affordable if the government would get the hell out of it. Have you ever looked at an insurance reimbursement and seen what the fees doctors and hospitals are willing to accept when they can rely on prompt payment?
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Private insurance is causing high medical costs?

Then lets go to single payer.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Health care would be affordable if the government would get the hell out of it. Have you ever looked at an insurance reimbursement and seen what the fees doctors and hospitals are willing to accept when they can rely on prompt payment?
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And that will be the last of your comments that I'll respond to. Because, your health care system has failed the people and that's the reason both of the political parties embarked on a plan to fix it. The rest of the wealthy first world countries have highly rated affordable health care expressly because they are universal health care systems run principally by their governments.

suit yourselves, it's your own people that are going to suffer if they continue to not fight for their basic human rights.
 
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Michael66 said:
And that will be the last of your comments that I'll respond to. Because, your health care system has failed the people and that's the reason both of the political parties embarked on a plan to fix it. The rest of the wealthy first world countries have highly rated affordable health care expressly because they are universal health care systems run principally by their governments.

suit yourselves, it's your own people that are going to suffer if they continue to not fight for their basic human rights.
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I really don't care if you respond or not, thank you...
 
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Michael66 said:
And you're wrong again. Rights are granted to individuals and if they are not then individuals fight for rights. Or in other words, they fight for rights and force others to grant them rights. In Canada we fought for our right to good and affordable health care but we didn't have to resort to physical force. We forced our politicians to grant us our rights through the political process that is capitalism.

Americans will do the same some day but first they have to value themselves to the point of understanding that they too deserve affordable health care. At the moment they are under the illusion that your profess that is not understanding that they are worthy.
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Maybe things are different in Canada, but here in the US, our Constitution...from the day it was signed...dealt solely with preventing the federal government from denying certain specified rights. Now...if our people want the government to be prevented from denying any other rights, we have an amendment process. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say...or allow for...the government to force any rights...especially rights that are not mentioned...on the people. For example, the Constitution says the government cannot deny the right to free speech. Nowhere does it say that anyone is forced to engage in free speech. The government cannot deny anyone the right to bear arms. Nowhere does it say the government can force people to bear arms. And...nowhere does it mention heath care as being a right at all. If it did, it would only prevent the government from denying a right to health care. It won't force people to engage in health care.

Now...the Democrats have turned the Constitution on its head...have departed from the Constitution...by passing a LAW that forces people to, at least, buy health insurance. Health care is still not a right.
 
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Mycroft said:
Maybe things are different in Canada, but here in the US, our Constitution...from the day it was signed...dealt solely with preventing the federal government from denying certain specified rights.
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According to the constitution itself, you are wrong about it dealing solely with preventing the feds from denying certain rights

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Securing the blessings of liberty is just one of several goals the constitution serves
 
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Mycroft said:
Maybe things are different in Canada, but here in the US, our Constitution...from the day it was signed...dealt solely with preventing the federal government from denying certain specified rights. Now...if our people want the government to be prevented from denying any other rights, we have an amendment process. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say...or allow for...the government to force any rights...especially rights that are not mentioned...on the people. For example, the Constitution says the government cannot deny the right to free speech. Nowhere does it say that anyone is forced to engage in free speech. The government cannot deny anyone the right to bear arms. Nowhere does it say the government can force people to bear arms. And...nowhere does it mention heath care as being a right at all. If it did, it would only prevent the government from denying a right to health care. It won't force people to engage in health care.

Now...the Democrats have turned the Constitution on its head...have departed from the Constitution...by passing a LAW that forces people to, at least, buy health insurance. Health care is still not a right.
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You're not understanding the political process. Your president campaigned on his health care scheme and he won. He had the majority of the people's support, based on his priorities. Had he not followed through with his promises on health care then he would have been guilty of reneged on his political promises.

Had the majority of the people not been in favour of his promised agenda then they would have elected Romney.

Therefore, the majority of the people have the right to demand to demand Obama fulfill his promises. They have in fact said, through the political process, that they regard it as their right to have affordable health care for all.

This is as simple as understanding that your congress enacts laws that afford rights to your country's citizens. To not obey those laws would be to trample on the rights of your country's citizens. You have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now your citizens have shown through a majority vote that they claim the right to affordable health care too. It's a simple concept really. It's above and beyond your constitution as are many rights and liberties that aren't expressly mentioned. You may someday also claim the right to equality under the law as have the people of France.

Do you propose to separate the rights of citizens that the law grants them? Do you somehow separate the ACA from other laws? If you do then your actions would be seen as treasonous.
 
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Michael66 said:
You're not understanding the political process. Your president campaigned on his health care scheme and he won. He had the majority of the people's support, based on his priorities. Had he not followed through with his promises on health care then he would have been guilty of reneged on his political promises.

Had the majority of the people not been in favour of his promised agenda then they would have elected Romney.

Therefore, the majority of the people have the right to demand to demand Obama fulfill his promises. They have in fact said, through the political process, that they regard it as their right to have affordable health care for all.

This is as simple as understanding that your congress enacts laws that afford rights to your country's citizens. To not obey those laws would be to trample on the rights of your country's citizens. You have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now your citizens have shown through a majority vote that they claim the right to affordable health care too. It's a simple concept really. It's above and beyond your constitution as are many rights and liberties that aren't expressly mentioned. You may someday also claim the right to equality under the law as have the people of France.

Do you propose to separate the rights of citizens that the law grants them? Do you somehow separate the ACA from other laws? If you do then your actions would be seen as treasonous.
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And through the Representatives elected to the House, it has shown that citizens do not want this...
 
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