Thread: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143:248]

Originally Posted by Michael66

No, health care is a right for people in all advanced wealthy, first world countries except America. You can't take that right away from us, you can only withhold it from your own people. At least for a little longer but not indefinitely.

So see it as a service if you must, you are only denying yourselves the service or rights others have in other countries.

Rights are inherent to the individual, not something another individual is forced to provide to another...

Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul

No, we pay due to Congressional edict...

Congress has declared that we pay twice as much as the French do?
And that's from before Obamacare was even thought of.

When did they issue such an edict?

Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul

Health care is a service, not a right. No one has a right to expect someone else to provide a service...

So then you do not have a right to life? If the argument is that the state can stop a women from terminating a pregnancy, are you going to argue that the state has no interest in providing care for that life before or after birth?

From another perspective, is the general welfare clause going to be limited to laws that do not involve paying for care to those who cannot afford to do so. Are you going to reverse federal tax payment already made to hospitals for unpaid medical care?

You are playing a semantic game with a concept that already has been established in our constitution. The state is mandated to care for its population, we mandated that we care for all of us.

Originally Posted by Dittohead not!

Congress has declared that we pay twice as much as the French do?
And that's from before Obamacare was even thought of.

When did they issue such an edict?

If you like the system in France, move. I believe it was 1986 when it was required that hospitals treat anyone who came in the door. The current employer based insurance system began when government froze wages during WWII, and government interference never works out very well...

Originally Posted by Dittohead not!

You can fault the Democrats, sure, but the Republicans ranting about death panels and offing gramma didn't help at all. A rational discussion and logical way to fix the high cost of medical care would have no doubt served us better, but there is plenty of blame to go around for the fact that the problem is not fixed and costs are likely to continue to soar.

We would have loved to be included. Too bad that demo's that had total control over government chose to lock those doors. As for "death panels", we will see won't we? And "offing gramma" really? You want to go there? Remember that ad about Ryan? Who did that? Repubs or demo's?

Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul

Rights are inherent to the individual, not something another individual is forced to provide to another...

I thought the argument was that the state should not be forced to provide a service.

Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul

I believe it was 1986 when it was required that hospitals treat anyone who came in the door.

So you do recognize that the state can force for services to be provided.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

I thought the argument was that the state should not be forced to provide a service.

Oh, so you simply don't understand...Well, that clears some things up...

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

So you do recognize that the state can force for services to be provided.

That is different....But you know that.