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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    And so the debate is settled. Health care for everybody is evil. Just ask any Canadian who knows all about death panels that kill our grannies and lineups to see a doctor that stretch a mile on a good day. America wouldn't want that, especially if it was given to them by one of 'those' people.
    It's funny you should mention Canadian death panels...because I just saw this article from Slate:

    Last week Canada’s Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto family’s decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canada’s most populous province, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the family’s choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.

    In other words: Canada has death panels.

    Canada has death panels, and that’s a good thing.
    Now, the overall thrust of the article is that, for Canada, death panels are a good thing and it is justified by the following:

    In Canada, with our single-payer health care system, Rasouli’s situation has a very public bottom line: Should taxpayers foot the bill for his family’s indefinite goodbye?
    This, as I see it, is one of the consequences of your government health care.

    Fortunately, in the US...at least right now...we don't have your style of government health care so we don't have to ask that question. Every individual family member has the right to make their own decision.

    THAT is but one reason for the US to reject your government health care and I hope to god we never find ourselves in the position where we feel the need to ask that question.
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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. The article says nothing about it being caused by ACA. Please quote where the article says tiered plans were started because of ACA
    I just literally explained this to you and I feel no need to address the same points over and over again

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    Why be intentionally dishonest? I clearly wrote "ACA style Legislation". And it's well known Mass health reforms under Romney served as the template for the ACA and were initiated long before it. Hence looking at it as an experiment in such legislation being put into practical use

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    This is a great point. As a libertarian, I can't even bring myself to have emergency rooms turn people away.



    For starters, the actual Republican plan from 1993, minus the mandate, would be good. The ACA is based on it, but that's like movies that are "based on a true story." There's a lot of embellishment. Likewise, the Democrats added a lot of things that Republicans would never have supported. Such as mandates for maternity care, no lifetime limits, etc., that push up the cost of insurance. The Republican plan would have just made insurance more affordable through the use of subsidies, and people could choose whatever they wanted. That is the primary flaw with the law, is that the Democrats are trying to force people to buy more than they want, and primarily for political purposes, not medical.

    Actually though, I'd prefer a single-payer, catastrophic only system. Individuals would be responsible for all routine medical costs, while the government would cover the things that don't actually happen to everyone.
    if it's in anyway structure like the mass plan or ACA, it isn't viable without the individual mandate

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It's funny you should mention Canadian death panels...because I just saw this article from Slate:



    Now, the overall thrust of the article is that, for Canada, death panels are a good thing and it is justified by the following:



    This, as I see it, is one of the consequences of your government health care.

    Fortunately, in the US...at least right now...we don't have your style of government health care so we don't have to ask that question. Every individual family member has the right to make their own decision.

    THAT is but one reason for the US to reject your government health care and I hope to god we never find ourselves in the position where we feel the need to ask that question.


    There is always the feel good story in Oregon where the woman with cancer who was on Oregon's state run universal health care received a letter from the state that passed on two bits of news: 1) Her cancer treatment would no longer be paid for and 2) Euthanasia was legal in Oregon and covered by her insurance.

    So warm and fuzzy....

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    There is always the feel good story in Oregon where the woman with cancer who was on Oregon's state run universal health care received a letter from the state that passed on two bits of news: 1) Her cancer treatment would no longer be paid for and 2) Euthanasia was legal in Oregon and covered by her insurance.

    So warm and fuzzy....
    I used to live in Oregon and one of the reasons I don't live there anymore is because of their tendency to do things like that.

    Unfortunately, I can't move out of the country if liberals succeed in doing that kind of thing on a national level.
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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I just literally explained this to you and I feel no need to address the same points over and over again

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    IOW, you can't quote where the article says these tiered plans were a reaction to ACA. You have to "explain" (AKA lie) it.

    Meanwhile, I posted a link that shows that insurance companies have been offering tiered plans since at least 2008
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    There is always the feel good story in Oregon where the woman with cancer who was on Oregon's state run universal health care received a letter from the state that passed on two bits of news: 1) Her cancer treatment would no longer be paid for and 2) Euthanasia was legal in Oregon and covered by her insurance.

    So warm and fuzzy....
    1) She is alive isn't she?

    2) Euthanasia has never been legal in Oregon, you're confusing it with doctor assisted suicide which has stringent rules which make it difficult to qualify.

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You'll excuse me if I hear that as .... Blah, blah, blah! at this point...This meme is drilled constantly by the MSM...It's old.
    It may be old, but it's true. The cost of health care has gone up so fast for so long that it's threatening to bankrupt us, and no one in Washington is addressing that fact.

    and, we have the most expensive health care system in the world by far.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Think about that....It was only possible by bribing a few members of a virtual super majority in congress, then shoved through on a party line vote in the middle of the night without even reading, much less understanding what they were voting for. Is that the way we do things now?
    Seems to be. The parties are unable or unwilling to work together on compromises. The contribution made by the Republicans in this debate was death panels and offing grandma, along with calling it "socialized medicine."

    That's a pretty sorry situation, isn't it? Congress is dysfunctional.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You want to see real anger? shove through single payer. The moment people open that paycheck and realize that $650 per week take home is now going to be $400 so that demo's achieved in conning them into a socialized medicine scheme that started with O-care, and there will be unrest.
    Oh, I think it is perfectly clear that single payer has a long uphill struggle in this country despite the fact that every other advanced nation in the world has it and all of them pay far less than we do. It's a battle between fact and ideology, with the latter coming out on top.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This bill didn't achieve anything of the sort....There will STILL be 30 million uninsured, regardless of the attempt to use a governmental heavy hand....There were other ways much less intrusive, but progressives rarely see anything other than force to be able to pass their crap, because without it, it simply wouldn't be tolerated.
    It will decrease the numbers of uninsured and thus the cost of treating the uninsured. It won't reduce overall costs, which is what has to be addressed and soon.

    A dysfunctional Congress, however, is not going to be able to address it.

    No, costs will continue to increase, the government will pick up more and more of the tab, and the deficits will be blamed on the military (by the left) and by "entitlements" (by the right). But, a whole lot of our economic problems have their root in the cost of health care.
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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges | Fox News

    so even with the dismal amount that were able to enroll that is even screwed up
    so when are you liberal going to come to the inevitable conclusion this is not working it will never work and all your doing at this point is allowing your pride and your reluctance to admit failure get in the way of doing the right thing and that is repeal and replace. you rather see millions suffer so to keep from that realization that Obama care is a total unmitigated disaster
    And you want to call the Tea Party terrorist and hostage takers?
    Obama Care could become the biggest failure in the history of our country.
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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Obama Care could become the biggest failure in the history of our country.
    Bigger than the Vietnam War, the invasion of Iraq, and the government shutdown?
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